Tommy Hearns vs Felix Trinidad @ 147, 154, and 160.

Yes he did, but I'm balancing everything out. When I look at Trinidad's entire career, I come to the conclusion he was a slow starter. He was knocked down by fighters with moderate power. Reid was not known for his power, and he had Trinidad dropped and hurt. Many other non-punchers had him down early at 147lbs as well.

You know what, I can't see how Trinidad gets to Hearns first, simply because he started slow and his style was to be tight and precise. I'm afraid Hearns jab would be the main key, as Trinidad eat jabs for breakfast up the middle. Very vulnerable to the jab. And we know what followed behind Hearns' jab, the right hand. I'd give Hearns the edge in handspeed as well.

Sometimes its a hard pick when putting two fighters head-to-head who both had bad chins and serious power, but its a fairy easy pick when putting both styles together.

Hearns by devastating KO.

 

ok so who from right now could beat hearns,if i had to pick it would be winky

 

who wins at light heavyweight?

 

I say the guy that beat a prime Virgil Hill for the WBA strap, not the one about to fight a shadow of a former great.

 

I go with Trinidad at 147 and 154. A lot of you tend to underrate Tito, and it's surprising because Hopkins is always overrated here. If you believe Hopkins is so good then you have to rate Tito highly because X couldn't have beaten a "bum".

Back on the subject: Both have equal power but Hearns had a weaker chin. THen it becomes a question of who'd land first. I believe that Hearns had a deadly jab, that he use to set up the right hand - but at 147-54, Tito's offense caused a lot of fighters to fight more in fear of his left hook.
I think Hearns knows his limitations enough not to go for an early KO...and as soon as Tito warms up Hearns will be on the back-foot.
A left hook catches Tommy on the ropes and a follow-up right puts him on the canvas. He gets up at 7 and remains in survival mode until another left hook put him down for the count.

Trinidad by KO 9.

 

Hearns could beat Hopkins. He has the ability to where as Tito does not. So I don't think that helps at all.

And Hearns and Tito don't have equal power. And he couldn't back Hearns up....he couldn't even back up DLH. I don't know how you came to the conclusion that Hearns would suddenly start fighting off his back foot. And he would always get to Tito first considering his speed, height, and reach advantage.

 

Not sure that I agree with that statement bolded. Tommy's left hook is seriously overlooked in most discussions involving Hearns. Hearns used to turn in the left hook after the right hand and it was a potent weapon, especially in his welterweight days. He also threw a long-range left hook to the body which really ****ed people up, just ask Iran Barkley and James Shuler. His body attack with the left hook (and right hooks for good measure) in both those matches was a thing of beauty. When Virgil Hill was asked after his fight with Hearns which punch hurt him the most he replied, "Tommy's got a good left hook, perhaps better than his right hand."

The awesome thing about the Hearns offence was not just one punch. He'd hit you with the ramrod jab, perhaps feint it to the body, then the right cross would come over the top and if that missed the left hook would be coming behind it. Couple that with Tommy's speed and you have a dynamite offensive fighter. Tito's good, very good, but everything he does well Hearns does better. The way to beat Hearns is to pressure him and have the chin and heart to withstand the nuclear assault inevitably coming your way. SRL did at welterweight, Hagler and Barkley did at middleweight, although Barkley caught a lucky break when Tommy got careless. Tito has neither the style nor chin to beat Hearns. His best chance is at welterweight but I'd back Tommy inside the distance at all 3 weights.

 

It's quite simple, they both have equal power..ANd it depends on what you like. Hearns has more of 1 punch KO power as evidenced in some of his stunning KOs, while Tito has the kind of power ruins you is it doesn't knock you out.

Reach advantance means nothing if your chin can be reached..and make no mistake, Tito is one of the most accurate punchers in the last 30 years. He will definately land on the chin.

The question is: how long will it take for Tommy to succumb to that kind of power?

You need to watch the Tito-Oscar fight again and you will see that Oscar back-up the whole fight, except the time when he landed a beautiul combination that hurt Tito at the end of 4th or 5th.

And Hearns can be backed up. Tito was even able to back a fully fledged middleweight in Hopkins.

Tito by KO 9.

 

Trinidad couldn't fight backing up, Hearns could. Thats an option which needs to be taken into consideration when and if each gets hurt. Survival instincts.

Trinidad backed up Hopkins?. Your wrong. Hopkins choose to go laterally on the backfoot and keep his distance as it was part of his strategy. When both got into fierce exchanges during the middle-late rounds, Hopkins stayed right in there with him. He never backed up.

 

That's a myth...as we've seen little of Tito backing up. He could use a lot of lateral movement to great effect when he wanted to (see fights against Jones, Stephens and Campas).

And Tito has shown better survival insticts...

Actually he did. Watch the fight.

Hopkins "chose"...? So you were able to get into his mind to read this?

Hopkins backed up to avoid trading with a puncher. Nothing wrong with that. In fact, I'd expect Tommy to apply a similar strategy. Only that Hearns wasn't as good fighting on the backfoot.

 

Trinidad never backed Hopkins up with his punches, thats for sure. And I don't know why you said "Trinidad backed Hopkins up" as its hardly useful in your arguement.

The whole meaning of backing up someone is landing punches and putting them on the defensive. Not the opponent staying away and moving laterally as part of his strategy because the other has power. Thats not being "backed up".

Hopkins employed these tactics as part of his strategy. He choose, correct. Because he had no other reason to keep his distance and move laterally, because Trinidad's punches were not the reason why he went into "back up" mode.

I'm 1000000000% correct. And since we have got into a debate, I don't expect you to give ground and admit your wrong.

 

Whatever your meaning of "backing up" is does not matter. The effect is that one man is the aggressor and one is being defensive.

My argument is that in a matchup between Tommy and Tito, it will be Tito who is the agressor as it is his nature.
Hearns will be on the backfoot (back up, or whatever you want to call it) because he will know he faces a dangerous puncher. Just like Hopkins knew that he faced a dangerous puncher and had to apply the appropriate strategy.
You cannot just walk forward when you face a puncher like Trinidad, even if you have a granite chin - and you know the type of chin Tommy has.

Trinidad by KO 9.