Tommy Hearns vs Holman Williams

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  1. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Futch has Williams winning this .. what about you?
     
  2. unitas

    unitas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eddie futch said that Williams was the best Thing he ever saw in a Boxing ring. the Thing is that i never saw him fight, only read Reports.
    stylewise i think this favours Tommy. Williams wasnt a Puncher......and outboxing a prime Tommy was a tall order for everyone!! the way to beat Tommy was to go for his shaky chin. but that wasnt Williams game.

    so stylewise i fovour Tommy. but out of respect for futch…...i´ll go for Williams.
     
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  3. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    anyone else know Holman and his era .. cmon people he is credited with help developing Louis' jab and doesn't really get talked about much here .. would he outbox hearns .. he was said to be very technically sound
     
  4. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holman Williams...basically was fighting them all in the early & mid 1940's.
    (excluding Ezzard Charles)Beat young Satterfield. Close decision losses to Lamotta & Cerdan). Fighters recognized under the Murderers’ Row banner include Charley Burley, Lloyd Marshall, Holman Williams, Herbert "Cocoa Kid" Lewis Hardwick, Jack Chase, Eddie Booker, Aaron Wade, and Bert Lytell. Avoided by many of the famous names of the day, the eight Murderers’ Row fighters faced each other a total of 62 times, the fights often classics and grueling contests

    146 W 31 L 11D
    36 KOs
    3 KOs
    middleweight
    stance orthodox
    height 5′ 10½″ / 179cm
    reach 71″ / 180cm

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    1945-11-26 : Archie Moore 169½ lbs beat Holman Williams 161¼ lbs by TKO in round 11 of 12




      • Location: Coliseum, Baltimore, Maryland, USA
    Williams was floored for "9" in round 10 on a right to the jaw, and took a 6-count in the 11th on a similar right. When he went down again from another right to the jaw, the fight was stopped. Moore had Williams hurt in the 3rd round, before Williams use left jab and boxing skills to win the 5th and 6th round. With the fight even up to that point, Moore battered Williams in the 7th, 8th, and 9th round.

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    1945-10-22 : Archie Moore 172½ lbs lost to Holman Williams 163 lbs by MD in round 10 of 10

    "Archie Moore, 172 1/2, lost two rounds of his fight with Holman Williams, 163, because of low blows - and it cost him the decision in the 10 round main event at the Coliseum. Moore was the aggressor throughout and sportswriters at ringside differed with the official decision and gave Moore the slight edge in the going. Heavier and stronger than his opponent, Moore had the fight all his own way at first and piled up points as he kept boring in on Williams. Williams got going in the 5th and offset Moore's rushes by sharper and faster punching. In the 6th Moore dealt Williams hard blows to the body and head. The 7th and 8th rounds went to Williams after referee Eddie Leonard called low punches on Moore." -Associated Press

    The Baltimore Sun favored Moore 5-4-1 in rounds, feeling he landed the harder punches and forced the fighting. Williams was an elusive target, and boxed beautifully in the early part of the fight. Moore had the advantage later with his sharper punching, and in several rounds drove Williams to the ropes where he landed with both hands.

    Charley Burley vs. Holman Williams
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    1945-07-11 : Charley Burley 161½ lbs lost to Holman Williams 159¾ lbs by UD in round 12 of 12


    "Holman Williams, Detroit, outpointed Charley Burley, Pittsburgh, tonight in a 12 round feature of the Hudson Boxing Club's first outdoor card this season before 3,000 chilled fans in Civic Stadium. Burley, making his first start since March, made a fight of it in the early rounds lashing Williams' kidney area with smacking rights. Burley, an 8-5 favorite, took the first two heats in a romp. Williams took over in the 3rd, relying mainly on short, sharp blows. While Williams' punches didn't carry the sting of Burley's, they were far more numerous. There were no kncockdowns." -Associated Press

    Murderers' Row (boxing)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murderers'_Row_(boxing)

     
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  5. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Any opinion on the matchup?
     
  6. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearns, at MW, would have probably lost a few if thrown in with Holman, and Murderer's Row, being those guys fought each other so many times.

    In a one shot fight situation at MW, going with Williams in a close UD (plus Futch thought the same thing).
     
  7. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't see a non-puncher with a 7" shorter reach outboxing a prime Hearns!

    Clear UD for Tommy.