Tommy Hearns vs. Oscar De La Hoya

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  1. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    P4P Oscar probably has a better chin but he is fighting a naturally bigger man in Hearns, so his chin had better be better than Hearn's in a P4P sense just to be on equal footing with him at 147 when they trade shots.

    This fight is going to take place at 147. At 147 we saw Hearns get troubled by SRL on a couple of occasions. Who here can tell me with a straight face that DLH wouldn't have been in trouble with SRL at 147 on a couple of occasions, and most probably stopped in a 15 rounder?
     
  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    A calibre equal to SRL? If not, then it's irrelevant.
     
  3. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    I meant to the opponents Hearns faced before SRL, because you sounded in your last post so, if Hearns never showed any stamina issues, but the truth is, that we don´t know it, because he rarely went the distance at 147 lbs (and if, than against mediocre opponents), IMO Hearns at his best was at 154 lbs, 147 lbs I don´t know...
     
  4. JohnThomas1

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    Never mind reputations Robbi, you simply aren't comparing apples with apples. You have compared their chins directly. It matters little that Hearns was wobbled or stopped vs this one or that, their list of opposition comparative to size, greatness and ability to stop someone is vastly different. When you compare their chins directly you have to take into account how DLH would have fared vs the opposition and punches Hearns fought and took. They are very differently sized fighters who fought differently sized and powered men.

    Hearns has one of the worst chins in history??

    You say this

    But then you come up with this

    I know which statement is closer to "hater" status. Seriously. I find the above a very narrow statement.
     
  5. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well we saw Hearn's stamina stretched to its limits against Ray Leonard. He is as good a litmus test as anyone. Hearns basically boxed on the move for half the fight and lasted 14 rounds. If he can do that against Ray, I don't see what DLH could do to expose his stamina, becuase he isn't as active nor as hard punching imo as SRL at 147.
     
  6. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    He wrote it so:



    "Now, Im not saying De La Hoya has a Hagler like chin, and Hearns on the otherhand has one of the worst chins in history." -Robbi-
     
  7. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    Personally I see De La Hoya being able to withstand the power of Leonard's shots, but he would lose a decision. Im not sure Leonard had that much power over Mosley at 147lbs, maybe a slight edge.

    On a skill sense I think De La Hoya measures up well against Leonard and Hearns.

    But looking back over De La Hoya's career and how many disputed decisions for and against he's been involved in, its a very tall order to make a case for him beating Leonard or Hearns.

    If Leonard or Hearns went up against Chavez, lets say they were slightly smaller and made 140lbs and had De La Hoya's power, do you think they could distmantle Chavez in a more impressive fashion than De La Hoya. I think not. Thats what im talking about regarding skill. Ok thats maybe unrealistic fantasy thinking, but Im sure you know where Im coming from.
     
  8. Luigi1985

    Luigi1985 Cane Corso Full Member

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    DLH would fight way more aggressive, and this would be good against Hearns, because outboxing Hearns at the lower weight doesn´t fit...
     
  9. Robbi

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    Naw, picked me up wrong. I said De La Hoya never had a Hagler like chin, and on otherhand Hearns had one of the worst chins in history.

    Meaning, De La Hoya never a granite chin, and Hearns never had one of the worst chins in history. My mistake. I should have worded it better.
     
  10. Luigi1985

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    I understood what you mean, but that´s something different, my English is faultless and worth seeing...






    :lol:
     
  11. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What damage did Mosley do at 147 to be even compared to SRL? He stopped no one of any rea quality. He landed some flush shots, pretty much teed off on DLH at 147 in the 12th, and DLH did nothing but slightly wobble. Put that down to DLH having a good chin if you want. I put it down to Shane not having that much power and DLh having a pretty good beard.

    I think he is inferior to both, but not by leagues.

    I think a lot of those disputed decisions come down to him NOT having the skills of a Leonard or Hearns.

    Give Chavez a pre-existing cut and I think a 140 Leonard or Hearns do everything Oscar did and then some.

    A more interesting thing to do is ask whether you think there would be controversy at the end of the Whitaker, Quartey and Tito fights if it was SRL and Hearns in there with those fighters, of if they would lose to Shane Mosley. I think the answer is a resounding 'HELL NO'.
     
  12. Robbi

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    Your probably right my statement on De La Hoya not having a Hagler like chin ties in cohesively with Hearns having the worst chin in history. "Im not saying" is followed by both statements.
     
  13. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He would? Based on what?

    The Tito fight?

    The Quartey fight?

    Heck, the Pea fight?

    Which fight did he stalk a fighter with half of Hearn's arsenal down and stop them?
     
  14. Luigi1985

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    Where did I write that he would fight aggressive to stop Hearns? I simply meant, that he (DLH was a master in accommodation to the current opponent) was smart enough to fight aggressive against Hearns, because that´s the only way he can win, hurt Hearns with fast and unpredictable combinations...
     
  15. Robbi

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    JT. Hearns beats De La Hoya. I picked him earlier.