Tommy Hearns Vs Sugar Ray Robinson @ 147

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  1. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Tommy Hearns was a highly skilled 6′ 1″ welterweight with a 78″ reach. That is almost like being a Klitchko at heavyweight. While Ray Robinson was by no means a small man at 147, and the more skilled of the two. Heanns combo of size and skills gives him an advantage in this match up.
    I see this going two ways.
    First of all I see Hearns getting off to a good lead. If this is a 12 round fight he wins by 8-4 If this is a 15 round fight it is the last 3 rounds that are going to drtermand the outcome. I am not one of those who thinks that despite his ko losses to Leonard, Hagler and Barkley that Hearns has a week chin. However all those losses came either in or very near his prime. So while his chin is not glass it is something that Robinson can take advantage of.
    This either ends with Hearns holding on for a close win on the scorecards or Robinson by ko in 13-15.
    There is a verry slight chance of Hearns by ko as he could also punch but I think Robinson who only has one stoppage loss is not likely to get stopped.
     
  2. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    From what I have seen at Welterweight (and I know Duonedem (spelling) agrees) is that Robinson was a bit more aggressive and imposing at Welterweight and would have no qualms being the aggressor and looking for Hearns.

    Thats the thing that swings it for me, Robinson would be able to pressure Hearns and walk him down and land hard, precise combinations to stop him, although it would be tough because of Hearns power and skills.

    Another thing to consider Hearns was not much taller than Robby.
     
  3. El Bujia

    El Bujia Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Robinson. One word: durability.
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    :deal
     
  5. baddest

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    In a trilogy Tommy can win. In a one-off I just don't see it, Robinson was taking the punches of middleweights @ 147, and went through many wars and ultimately only ever got stopped by heat exhaustion, Tommy has a punchers chance but anyone banking on Robinson getting stone-cold KO'd is deluded. Ultimately I think Robinson can't outbox Hearns for long periods but he will force Tommy to exchange far quicker than SRL did, and having a harder punch than SRL I see Tommy getting ROCKED early with a fierce combination. If tommy can even manage to survive past that in the 5-6th I say he'll be KO'd within 2-3 rounds. Robinson KO7
     
  6. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I've never thought Hearns matched up well with Robinson.

    Ray wouldn'twait too long to cut loose with his own offense, especially once he realises the threat Hearns brings.He's not as cautious or gameplan orientated as Leonard.

    I see him getting Hearns in bad trouble sometime between the 2nd and 6th and horribly caving him in.Robinson isn't likely to let up if he gets Tommy going.
     
  7. ripcity

    ripcity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm kind of surprised that this match up dose not come up more often. Hearns and Robinson are probbly the two best head to head at 147.
     
  8. RockyJim

    RockyJim Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Love Hearns....but I like SRR at Welter against The Hitman...
     
  9. Duodenum

    Duodenum Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    "Duo" works just fine for me, G. (If I had any idea "Duo" would catch on as instantly as it did, and grow on me so quickly, I might have signed onto ESB with just that simple three letter handle.)
    That's right.

    I think of how Tommy doubled over a bit to SRL's body attack in their first bout, then look at the way Robby savaged the taller Bobby Dykes inside (especially with those surgically thudding rights to the ribs which had Dykes panting by round two), and have a hard time seeing Hearns reaching the final bell with any degree of certainty. Ray could do everything well, including infighting and body punching against a taller opponent. (Some records suggest Dykes and Robinson were the same height, but their footage makes it clear Bobby was the taller man.) Hagler tore into Tommy's body from the outset, and Hearns was utterly spent in very short order.
     
  10. TheGreatA

    TheGreatA Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I've usually seen Dykes listed at over 6 feet, which is very tall for a welterweight. Robinson was taking it easy by his standards in that fight though. Hearns would likely not see the final bell against Robinson, but he does present a great danger to Robinson, and any other fighter really.
     
  11. tommygun711

    tommygun711 The Future Full Member

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  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Ok, Duo.

    Exactly as I see it. SRR had them explosive, 'crunching' as you say, attacks and I just don't see Hearns weathering them. And I can see Robinson weathering the Hearns typhoon.
     
  13. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    SRR's toughness would carry him through to a midround ko victory as surely as his superior skill would.
     
  14. bck620

    bck620 Active Member Full Member

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    I actually think this is one of the very very few bad matchups for Robinson. Not only can Hearns box and move, he excels fighting in space. Quick as a cat, and Tommy gets a bad rap for having a questionable chin. Look at the guys he fought! I think Hearns catches Robinson with a right hand, and I think it's somewhat early. I can see SRR beating Hearns like SRL did, but Robinson will engage Tommy from round 1 unlike Leonard did. Leonard was smart to tire him out for 5 rounds, no way Robinson does. He goes right at him.

    KO rounds 6-8

    Robinson does not want this fight at 147.
     
  15. laxpdx

    laxpdx Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same result as Leonard-Hearns I, only Rob might go home a bit earlier, given his superior firepower. A tossup at 154, though.