Good lord, I have seen the fight. Leonard's timing and ability to just keep the big shots off of him enough to stay conscious are what allowed him to use his offensive aresenal. Is Floyds overall offense as good as Leonard? No, but its not like its a completely different class. Floyd is not just a cutesy defensive fighter, he can land good clean punches, and he has good not great power. He almost certainly couldn't hit with the power of Leonard, but he wouldn't get hit as much either. To make it out like Hearns is gonna just blow Floyd out 10-8 every round is just stupid and completely underrating Floyd, no matter how much of a **** he may be, he has the ability to at least win rounds with pretty much anybody.
How did a fighter less than Hearns give Floyd a tough fight when he's undefeated ... 99% of his decision wins have been unanimous? and all of the boxing public knows that he beat DLH by UD, so you can argue that Floyd has never came close to losing a pro fight and that all of his decision wins have been unanimous. Oscar stopped jabbing in the latter rounds so his success was short lived ... given that DLH had the size advantage and PBF never fought at that weight before - he didn't do himself any justice not overwhelming Floyd with power. Height and reach mean nothing ... Power means nothing ... How would Hearns adjust to PBF's quick thinking in the ring ... the rapid fired adjustments? The ability to punch on the move and not have to be planted to punch ... Hearns has to be set and in a rhythm to punch ... the second he lifts that foot to come towards Floyd is when Floyd throws a jab to the pit of the stomach or comes of the top with a right hand and then moves the hell out of the way. I don't understand how you can say that a guy is going to lose when you never seen him lose ... we've all see Hearns lose ... but not PBF ... you can't even go back to the amateurs and find PBF being dominated by another fighter. Its sad that you guys are trying to come up with a mythical match up to figure out how to beat this guy ... when we really won't know until he loses and as of now ... HE HASN'T !!
He has the strangest boxing opinions I've ever heard of. So let me see.. Castillo has far more punching power than Cotto. Cotto will get KO'd in 5-6 by Mayweather. He's still an up-and-comer Clottey and Collazo also beat him. Mayweather beats Hearns. Whitaker does too. :think
I have a feeling if someone said Mayweather would beat Ali and someone else made a point about Mayweather having trouble with a guy like Judah, you'd come in and argue against that rather than the against the idiot claiming he'd beat Ali. Do you always have to cling to Floyd's nuts? Do you actually think he stands a chance with Hearns? I love Whitaker, but I'm at least realistic. Neither of these guys are capable of pulling it off, and there's no reason to argue it or jump into an argument to help out a guy who's clearly in the wrong here.
Key words: pretty much anybody Not everybody, and Hearns is one of those he can't win rounds from, unless he takes a round off. The fact that you say Floyd would not get hit as much just means he'd be even less offensive than Leonard, therefore losing even wider on the cards(as Leonard won maybe 3 rounds plus a point for the KD) than Leonard if he lasted the distance, which he wouldn't in my opinion.
Since he's undefeated that means he's never been in a tough fight? Wow. Didn't know that. I saw Castillo give him a good fight. And he's even admitted himself that Augustus gave him his toughest fight and was the first to make Floyd bleed. You can't tell me with a straight face that those guys are as good as Tommy was. Height and reach do mean something, especially when Hearns was a good 5 inches taller than Floyd with a reach nearly as long as Klitschko's and he FOUGHT tall. Power does mean something when Hearns had sick punching power as a welterweight and would be hitting Floyd. You are mistaking Hearns for a puncher like Trinidad that has to be set.
It's official, you're the PacDBest of Floyd fans. Same logic as well. "He's never been beaten in his prime, so he can't lose! Bottom line. Hater!"
I have no problems with any fighters ... just because I pick Pea and Floyd to beat him doesn't mean that I don't like him. Both guys had campaigned at WW like Hearns and if were matched up head to head at WW those guys IMO wouldve won. Those guys aren't LW's either ... both fighters topped off their careers at WW ... with Floyd still reigning as champion. Just because they fought at lightweight doesn't mean they're lightweights for life. :good
Yeah, they compaigned at WW, doesn't mean they beat him. Leonard, as great as he is, had to give it EVERYTHING he had to beat him. As great as Floyd and Whitaker are, they don't have the stuff to beat Hearns. Hopefully yuo'll see that someday.
No how can you say this and that about a fighter when you've never seen him in that situation ... Floyd has yet to be knocked down or knocked out ... Castillo lost by UD and so did Augustus ... just because he considered it a tough fight doesn't mean that he didn't whoop his ass. It just means that it was tough ... If height mattered then Hearns wouldve beaten SRL, Barkley, and Hagler ... If height mattered then Foreman wouldve beaten Ali If height mattered then Floyd wouldve lost to DLH, Hearnandez, and Corrales.
You can't deny that the Castillo fight was extremely close though, and really could've gone either way, no matter who you had winning. It was that close, and most people I speak to had Castillo winning. Also, Augustus was stopped in the 9th round by his corner, it wasn't a UD. You don't see the logic in someone coming to the conclusion that if a lesser fighter gives a fighter great trouble, that a much better fighter, with even more stylistic advantages, would beat him? They were all bigger, stronger, different fighters to Floyd stylistically. They were able to overcome that because they were bangers in those fights, with great chins and the ability to press Hearns. When Leonard tried to box early on he was getting handled. Floyd would try to box, he's incapable of fighting Hearns like those much bigger, stronger, more powerful guys did. They were both 6'3. And again, you're not taking the point into account. Hearns was a boxer who utilized his height and reach, not a brawler like Foreman who was facing a boxer. And again, they were the same height anyway. And which of those fighters compare to Hearns at 147?