Tommy Loughran vs. Bernard Hopkins

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  1. Nicky P

    Nicky P Jamiva Boxing Full Member

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    At middleweight, and the Hopkins who faced Tito.

    This would appear to be the ultimate chessmatch. A lot of feinting, a lot of footwork... i think both of these boxing masters would have to pull out all the tricks to beat each other.

    What do you guys think?
     
  2. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Hopkins UD
    Hopkins is a defensive master, in my opinion, H2H Hopkins is the better fighter here
     
  3. Nicky P

    Nicky P Jamiva Boxing Full Member

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    Who was faster?
     
  4. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hm, for some of his best fights Tommy weighed in just above the mw limit at 163-168 pounds so I guess with today´s weigh-in rules he could make the mw limit while beeing at his best. This would be an awesome fight. The decider would be if Hopkins would be able to take away Loughran´s awesome jab. If he can, he wins. If he can´t he loses. Hopkins was great at taking away the jab (or advantages of his opponents overall) but Tommy was better than anybody Hopkins fought. Good question. I don´t know. Great fight.
     
  5. Swarmer

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    I'm not really sure exactly how well Hopkins' rhythm breaking tactics would work on Tommy. A lot of fighters from Loughran's day had pretty good clinch and inside game of their own even if they were outside operators. I'd imagine Tommy would have a pretty good chance if he managed to(purportedly) newspaper decision Greb at 19 years of age, and his resume is much more convincing imo.

    Very competitive at MW. I think this would be a pretty ugly fight to watch though, lots of clinching and questionable tactics.
     
  6. Nicky P

    Nicky P Jamiva Boxing Full Member

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    Was it above the MW limit when he fought Micky Walker? I know that was a MW fight, but I didn't know he fought a lot of those at catchweights.
     
  7. Nicky P

    Nicky P Jamiva Boxing Full Member

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    Good point you bring up. rythm breaking. Tommy would spend hours in front of a mirror figuring out the most subtle movements to throw off his opponents. i'm wondering if this will be a back and forth afair of sometimes hopkins breaks tommies rythm then vice versa. that would also play into them picking their moments to be the aggressor.
     
  8. bodhi

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    Those weren´t catchweights, they were lhw fights, Loughran just weighed in that low.
     
  9. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    as good as hopkins was i cant him dealing with the jab of loughran

    ud to the old-timer
     
  10. Nicky P

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    i stand corrected. that is very low for lhw. tommy was all brains in the ring though. only reason he could pull that off.
     
  11. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    I think Loughran was a pretty superb boxer overall by any accounts as far as the subtleties. Here's a validation from the father of modern pugilism himself:

     
  12. teeto

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    Well i don't think Hopkins is in a bad predicament from a stylistic perpective, i think the only way you could really go for Loughran is if you think he is just too good. I'm not of that opinion personally, Loughran is one of the highest ranking 175 men in history for me though so it might be the case
     
  13. PhillyPhan69

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    WOW! This fight has to take place at the Blue Horizon, best place to watch a fight! This would be a great tactical match-up, but I would lean towards a Loughran decison quite possibly SD/MD type of verdict. I don't think it is out of the question for someone to pick either guy here, and in a series I think each guy would walk away with a win/loss at some point. But in this one time affair, I like Loughran
     
  14. Nicky P

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    in the footage i've of Loughran, he looks pretty fast on his feet and has pretty fast punches too. But hopkins isn't exactly slow, even in his late 30's.

    So who has the edge in speed? or is it even?
     
  15. PhillyPhan69

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    I would give the edge to loughran in both foot and hand speed, but Hopkins defense, counter punching and timing will negate or equal out most of that. Even though Loughran as a LHW might be thought of as the bigger man, as Bodhi pointed out that really won't be the case as Hop's would have 2 inches of height and reach in his favor, and Hop's was a master kinda like Monzon in maximizing those assessts to his advatage. I would not be surprised to see Hop's win this and wouldn't question anyone picking him...for me this is a pick em' fight...I just fall off the fence on Loughran's side.