Tommy Morrison: best wins and career analysis

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Just my two cents. I think a lot higher of someone like Coetzee to be honest.
     
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  2. Philosopher

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    I honestly think Tommy would have stopped Wilder and AJ. There, I've said it. He's a better boxer than Wilder and although AJ is a better boxer, Tommy would jump on him and expose AJs mental frailties. Or get knocked out. One or the other....kid would have fought an elephant. And thought he'd win...
     
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  3. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    Pretty much how I see it. Morrison was a lot of things but scared, mentally weak, and timid wasn't one of them. He'd go right at AJ and Wilder's Glass Jaw. He might get knocked out himself but he wouldn't cower in a corner and quit like AJ has or make all the ridiculous excuses that Wilder has. Morrison went out on his shield every single time and had tons of Heart something AJ and Wilder know nothing about.
     
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  4. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. Full Member

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    I just watched the Carl The Truth Williams

    Awesome fight,plenty of sction,ebb and flow,swings of momentum and exchanges of KDs.
     
  5. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Great fight between two top 25 heavyweights.
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What would Richie Melito vs Hipp, Williams, Foreman, Puritty and Ruddock look like? 4-0-1 with 3 KO's?

    These comparisons are hysterical.
     
  7. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "The Stewart comparison might be favorable in fact."

    Except Stewart lost to Foreman by a point over 10 rounds rather than beating him by seven over 12 rounds, didn't have one win as good as Morrison's top four wins and never scratched the top 10, let alone being there for over two years.

    Butterbean, Richie Melito etc. These are irrational, hysterical comparisons.
     
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  8. Seamus

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    Stewart stood toe to toe with George and beat the bejesus out of him, so badly that people were calling for George to hang up the gloves. Morrison ran like a ***** with his back turned from old George and his concrete feet and eeked out a very debatable decision. It was a gimmick win, one that couldn't be duplicated against any other younger contender who could actually move.

    Were Stewart possessed of less melanin he would have been protected like Tommy and never faced the likes of Moorer, Tyson, Maskaev and Vander twice. He would have been coddled and let loose on live opponents to meet the canvas and collect a paycheck.
     
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  9. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "so badly that people were calling for George to hang up the gloves"

    This is partly because Stewart was considered to be a journeyman/fringe contender, he was a 6/1 underdog.

    Yes he visibly damaged Foreman's face (though he never came close to dropping him) but he lost regardless. Losing by a point and getting dropped twice is vastly inferior to winning by seven and staying on your feet for 12 rounds. No boxer would prefer the former outcome to the latter.

    Boxrec consensus is Morrison 118-111, Lederman had it 116-111. I haven't heard of anyone at the time scoring it for Foreman or claiming that the scoring was controversial.

    Why are you whining about Morrison sporadically running (which is essentially part of the sport rightly or wrongly, to a far greater degree for the likes of Rigondeaux) when Foreman was hitting below the belt and Stewart spat his mouthpiece out three times?

    "It was a gimmick win"

    If schooling Foreman had been easy we'd have seen more fighters do it, especially Holyfield-conqueror Moorer and Briggs against even older versions.

    "he would have been protected like Tommy"

    Because fighting Mercer at 22 having never been past 6 rounds was being "protected". Morrison would have likely fought more high calibre opponents than he did (and unlike Stewart, perhaps beat them) if his career hadn't ended at 26.
     
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  10. Seamus

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    Copium is the drug of the DKSAB.

    I don't have the calories to burn on someone who wasn't around back then and wasn't talking to those running the show, and likely wasn't even reading what the rags were saying. Tommy was a product, a great formula, but a failed product. He just wasn't that good.
     
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  11. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. Full Member

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    Morrison was in the top 10 at the time.
    Williams showed up in shape just too flawed.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Williams was terrible by that point. He had no legs.
     
  13. The G-Man

    The G-Man I'm more of a vet. Full Member

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    He looked to come back in the fight after the shaky start.
    As pointed out pre fight,he was a sucker for the left hook(same punch Tyson and Weaver knocked him out) due to his bad habits-which was Morrison s best punch.
    He was past it no doubt but he was in better shape than other fights,otherwise he wouldnt have weathered the early storm imo.
     
  14. Redbeard7

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    "wasn't talking to those running the show"

    They often get things wrong though don't they? For one, they surely picked Foreman to KO Morrison. They'd have seen or heard about Morrison's attitude to training/extracurricular activities and written him off, as well as dismissing him as a gimmick for his race/nationality seeing as Marciano had been the last Euro-American HW champion 35+ years prior and the failure of Cooney was within recent memory.

    "He just wasn't that good."

    I don't believe he was an elite heavyweight but he certainly wasn't Melito or Butterbean. He was dangerous but vulnerable and a legitimate top 10 fighter for a few years, no more no less.
     
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  15. Russell

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    Tommy Morrison being the object of all your sporting affection and plaudits is like idolizing someone like Ty Cobb, and having the gall to never shut up about him.

    You sometimes have to separate the art from the artist and all that but come on... People want to say he was exciting, he hit hard... go watch a few David Izon fights or something.