Tommy Morrison in place of Henry Cooper V Ali?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    If we replace Cooper with Tommy Morrison on that famous night when Henry dropped young Cassius, how's it playing out? Morrison had a great hook which could do some real damage. If Henry could drop Ali and hurt him, do we assume so can the Duke with a similar punch? Big odds against morrison here.
     
  2. JackSilver

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    Why big odds against Morrison? Clay wasn't that highly rated back then in 63. Remember he was something like a 6-1 underdog against old Liston the following year.
     
  3. Fergy

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    I was thinking more along the lines of big odds against him hurting Ali enough to stop him. Ali has a Atg chin so dropping him and stopping him are two different things. A actual fight between them, morrison may not have been a massive underdog at the time but we know Ali could pull himself off the floor.
     
  4. zadfrak

    zadfrak Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Don't forget the bout was in Henry's backyard. Whole different ballgame and you're getting Henry at his best. Fight may have stopped due to that cut in other venues. So the lefthook never lands. How many other young heavies have gone into the other guy's backyard pre-title in front of that many fans? Morrison himself sure didn't & was never close to being a road warrior.

    Morrison isn't landing much on Cassius. And he'd be peppered and by the 4th round, already slowing down from the pace & chasing the guy around. Let alone absorbing punches. But he'll hang in there until the ref waves it off & gives 100% of what he has.
     
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  5. mike foreman

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    Hypothetically speaking if he landed flush it could've been lights out
     
  6. HerolGee

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    there wasnt a weakling wbo title for morrisno to sponge off in the early 60s. Morrison would not be ranked top ten.
     
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  7. Fergy

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    Maybe then Ali takes him on in his twelve fight or there about s? If Morrison s hardly ranked he'd be seen as a easy touch for cash. Still a potential danger fight for the young Ali. Whilst I don't see Tommy beating him ever, he could prove as hard a fight as Cooper. If he survive Lewis as long as he did he sticks around at least as long
     
  8. HerolGee

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    theres abetter chance of ali catching HIV from this disease ridden waste of time.
     
  9. NoNeck

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    Morrison's vaunted left hook that he never defeated a single ranked heavyweight with would remain just that.
     
  10. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Silver is lost. Liston was considered unbeatable after knocking out Patterson twice in the first round. No one would have been a favorite or close to it at that time vs Liston.

    Morrison would lose. Who did he ever beat as great as Ali? Many including myself bet against Ali in every major fight. Obviously we all lost those bets. Never bet against Ali as you are probably going to lose.
     
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  11. Fergy

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    But you could turn that around and say Cooper, whilst a good Europe level heavy, never really kod a top ranked world heavy. Yet he put iron chinned Ali down.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Cooper wouldn't land that punch most times, and didn't in the rematch.
     
  13. Mr.DagoWop

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    The only reason Henry Cooper made it to the 4th rd was because Clay carried him. Had Clay not made a 5th rd knockout prediction then it is highly unlikely that Cooper would have floored him and incredibly likely that Cooper would have been stopped sooner.

    If Clay goes around clowning like he did against Cooper then I predict a Morrison knockout but in reality Clay would have most likely taken the champ that is Morrison very seriously and boxed beautifully for a late rounds stoppage.
     
  14. Pat M

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    of course all of the early 60s fighters would easily beat the 6-2, 225 pound, powerful, quick Morrison. They saw guys like him all the time...except they didn't and there was nobody around as big and quick as Morrison. Maybe Ali beats him, but it's a fact that Ali had never seen anybody that big and quick before the time he fought Cooper.

    Morrison was a skilled, dangerous fighter, he had some lapses and he got stopped a few times, and he got knocked down some, but NEVER by anybody as small as Henry Cooper or Sonny Banks. The smallest man that ever dropped Morrison weighed 225, young Ali would be in with something he'd never seen before and if he won it would be against the fastest, hardest hitting opponent he'd ever faced.

    Morrison would go through Henry Cooper on his way to a fight.
     
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  15. Unforgiven

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    Clay stops him whenever he pleases. Morrison went life and death with a washed up Carl The Truth , he's hardly going to be much problem for Cassius Clay.

    If Clay gets careless carrying Morrison for the crowd, yes he might get caught as he did against Cooper . But he'd bounced back as he did against Cooper too.

    Morrison well out of his league here, even against the green Cassius Clay of 1963.