Tommy Morrison vs. Earnie Shavers

yes, i agree with you, it is not his fault. but marciano was undefeated and he hasn´t great credit(by millions of people) because he never did beat nobody except cruisers, old men and bums, and it is not his fault.

 

according to his career? he beat contenders in folley, WilliamsX2, Harris, machen, wepner, and pattersonX2. it's not the best resume but according to his career he did everything he could have done.
look If you can't give credit to him then fine. but he was still a great boxer and belongs in the top 10

 

how many rounds might go williams against a prime 72-74 george foreman? 2-3 rounds maybe?

 

tommy... even ingo johanson knocked out patterson and machen. tons of boxers might beat zora foley,chuck wepner,harris ,machen ... but i respect your opinion if you love him it is fine

 

No more than he did against Liston in that case.

I doubt Lyle would drop Liston twice and have him nearly out either, but anything can happen in boxing. Williams would certainly land his share of punches on Foreman until Foreman's strength takes over.

 

yeah ingo ko'd Patterson. Patterson repaid the favor twice.
Machen got KO'd by ingo after Liston got to him.
If I love him? I give respect where it's due. he's an alltime great period. same with rocky. Moore, Louis, Charles, Layne, and Walcott were still good names on paper. regardless of being past their best.
Espescially Walcott. he would have gave George a lot o issues based on george's trouble with boxers.

 

o yea, lyle might very well do it.
leotis martin might never even knock down old or prime foreman. leotis knocked liston out, is not matter if liston was old because he fought very well against wepner. old foreman never was knocked down by great fighters and great punchers as prime holyfield,prime morrison, prime moorer, ,bert cooper,gerry cooney, prime briggs.

 

haha no man, foreman would smash walcott, he would knock out any rival of rocky and he would tko rocky.
jimmy young could take a punch much better than walcott. and the george who faced young was not nearly prime george.

 

Lyle wouldn't do it. He never knocked out a top rater aside from a tired Shavers. Foreman had a great chin, but crude defense in his prime, and was wide open for counters, the same which could not be said for Liston who was solid defensively. Lyle hit him at will at times, and it's not like he was a precise puncher.

Old Foreman and an old Liston aren't comparable. Foreman lived a relatively clean life and didn't take much damage throughout his boxing career. Liston's life took a turn for the worse after the Ali fights.

 

no I don't think so. Ali used his speed and smarts to beat foreman, same with young. Walcott had both of these and he had respectable punching power to boot.

 

it is the rapid and easy excuse for liston

 

really? proofs? do you have a glass ball?

 

Actually it's not. Liston's punch resistence went down with age, and so did his work ethic. Liston didn't commit to training anymore.
And TheGreatA is completely right. Liston wasn't clean as far as drugs and drinking go, not even close. Has foreman fought on from 77, there's no way he would be as sharp and good as he was in the late 80s/early 90s

 

First I have to ask, what makes you think that Ron Lyle was better than Williams?

I dont think it is a given by any means.

You cannot even assume that Foreman would necesarily beat Williams, much less speculate how many rounds it would take.

 

I guess it's also an excuse for Holyfield, Ali, Louis too when they lost while old and washed up.

Foreman was special in that regard, not the standard that all others fighters should be held in.

No, but it sounds like you do, considering how sure you are of everything you say without hardly giving any explanation.

It's not exactly outrageous to favour Sonny Liston to beat Ron Lyle.