Tommy Morrison vs Prime Ali

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  1. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No at first CW was 190, it has been up to 200 for the vast majority of its history.
    And he is right about Ali as a modern day CW assuming day before weigh ins or longer Ali could have easily made that.
    Where most can safely lose & regain up to ~ 10% of their body weight.
    LHW, certainly not.

    Ali could choose not to weight drain, bulk up or not-Wilder was exactly what prime Ali was in one of his fights, 212 & 1/2-at 4 inches taller (no lower body muscle mass).

    No, rehydrating does not tell if someone is using steroids.
    And you do not need to be a HW to use. Also some drugs maximize strength not bulk.

    But it is foolish & unfair to assume everyone uses, or anyone muscular does.
    I have known many quite large lifetime natural dudes.
    And some who use never get that big due to efficiency of dosing, genetics, or other factors.

    Do not mock or dismiss whole categories of boxers without knowing if they cheat & lie or not.
     
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  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I think either iteration of Ali is far too much for Morrison.

    In the 60s he'd dance around him making him look a slow footed fool.

    In the 70s he'd be too strong and would time and knock Morrison out.

    I do think Morrison has a good chance of landing a flash knockdown against 60s Ali when he's leaning back, but over the course of the fight Tommy just isn't good enough to beat Ali.
     
  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    I know we're in the middle of a quarantine but lay off the weed young man!
     
  4. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    More powerful, yes. Quicker, no.

    Morrison loaded up his shot sometimes and he had very big shoulders with a muscular frame. This ironically makes his hook a little more telegraphed and people can sometimes see the shot coming and brace for it.

    Frazier's hook was like a lion tamer's whip. Very fast and sharp. It could be launched suddenly without any warning at all and he could double or even triple up on it mid combo.

    Apples and oranges.
     
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  5. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, except that Morrison's hook was quicker and stronger than Frazier's. Never in a million years.
     
  6. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Tommy would load it up a lot, but he really didn’t have to, ive seen his hook come out of nowhere in a couple of his fights
     
  7. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just a simple mistake. I'm 18, and a law-abiding citizen. I don't do drugs or alchohol. I don't even smoke cigarettes, I used to though.
     
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  8. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Exactly how I would see it going, except I think 60s Ali could also ko Tommy since he would likely be very gassed by round 5 or 6 trying to catch a young Ali.
     
  9. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Now Deceased 2/4/25 Full Member

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    No one can grow to jack in the bean stock proportions, it seems that these days everyone is 6"8 or larger, is it organic food that their parents ate? Does this offend you? How does it make you feel? Is it that important or the end of the world if they are? Or is it that you are of the modern generation that does not respect or appreciate the best of the past, mesmerized by size? Which is not important, it is the skill and mindset as well as being in condition. I am interested to hear what you have to say without losing your cool, or by using any profanity.
     
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  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    "The point of typing all that" which seems to have escaped you is that you stated Morrison had a better hook than the guys who dropped Ali which would include Frazier. This does not stand even mild scrutiny.
     
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  11. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    I personally think Tommy had a better left hook than Frazier
     
  12. SerbianLoudmouth

    SerbianLoudmouth Overhand right-Suzie Q Full Member

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    You are my man...I quit weed,smoking and drinking 2 years ago and start training like a monk...I noticed how my life changed since then!
    Weed and booze are easy to leave but Nicotine is like cocaine because when you become addict it is very difficult to leave but still...
     
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  13. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    ummmm aren't you 20?... But that's good that you've given up the booze, marijuanna, and ciggerates. I'm proud of you man!
     
  14. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Your questions do not seem to be based on anything I said. I never use profanity & while I critique those who are abusive, I have never lost my cool.
    Did you mean to respond to someone else?

    Anyway only some HWs are 6' 8" or larger.
    More people on earth & better nutrition means more very tall folks.

    The other comments really seem tailored for another guy. You clicked on the wrong comment Richard?
     
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  15. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    LMAO!

    How on Earth did this manage to go 4 pages?

    It wouldn't take a prime Ali to stop Tommy's fragile ass.

    But if that's the version you wanna use... Ali inside of 5. It'd be very similar to the Williams fight.

    A total blowout.