Toney has balls. Dana was SCARED as hell to put Silva in with Jones in boxing.

Go fot it. Theres a million other threads on Toney Couture. May be you can start there seeing as you've totally missed the point here.

 

What point have I missed? This argument cuts both ways.

James Toney looked like a defenseless turtle laying upside on the floor. Actually, a clueless turtle usually looks more active. Gee, does it make sense to expect him to know how to wrestle as a boxer? After all, he talked as if he was going to get a KO from his back. Is it even worth noting?

The point is boxers seem to want to overanalyze MMA fighters who they say can't box but often complain when MMA fighters point out a boxers one-dimensionality in overall combat.

Breaking headline news! Anderson Silva isn't a boxer. Stop the press.

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7648892&postcount=42

 

And James Toney boasted all sorts of outrageous claims coming in to his fight with Couture. Silva was never disrespectful like Toney was. I still don't feel the need to point out how futile Toney was and is on the ground because it's self-evident.

 

In my honest opinion, I don't believe that very many boxing fans would ever give credit to any MMA fighter in striking, even if he deserved it. Simply because on paper, boxers are supposed to be the best always.

 

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7648892&postcount=42

This is quite simple. "Yaca" made a point about Silva's boxing ability. Because this is an MMA forum i responded. Both of us know the topic is about Silva and Silva's boxing ability. The giveaway is because "Yaca" is talking about Silva's boxing ability the accompanying video "SHOWS" Silva's boxing ability.

You on the other hand are meandering on about Toneys trash talking, he's lack of wrestling or MMA credentials, he's lack of respect bla bla none of which were raised by myself or "Yaca" because where talking about he's boxing ability. You chime in and then decide to talk about everything else but that. Like i said im pretty sure you missed the point.

 

Awfully subjective. Theres PLENTY of boxing fans in this MMA forum all of whom have given credit to guys like Noons BJ Edgar and AA's boxing ability. Unless your talking about Nick Diaz theres not very many on here that are going to agree with this opinion.

 

My point is that these points of discussion (Silva's sub-par bxoing, Toney's sub-par wrestling) could have (should have) been relegated to the scope of common sense. It's not my fault that some people are inexplicably incapable of recognizing the obvious.

 

That's not what I often hear. How many threads are started about how and why MMA fighters will never switch over to boxing?

 

I just want to know, did anyone honestly expect Silva to exhibit superior boxing skills? I'm not saying that it's wrong to discuss it. It's a free world. I just feel like it's being used to demean him in some way as a fighter (my personal perception only) when boxing is not even his background. If I'm wrong then I apologize.

 

Most of that crap is started in the GF and ends up here.

 

Again, I'm not looking to kick up dust here. I think I just woke up on the wrong side this morning.

 

He's striking is perfect for MMA much the same way Fedor's is. Although it does highlight somewhat the limitations of most MMA fighters which is a poor adaptation to striking in terms of defense and offense.

The problem i have with "modern" MMA ( which only highlights the evolution of the sport ) is fighters who are average at everything rather than great at one thing. The reason why fighters like Barnett Nog Fedor CC etc were so great and succesful is because they knew what their bread and butter was and complimented their "style" with facets from other styles. But essentially they fought to their strong points.

Instead what we see these days is guys like BJ who has literally awesome BJJ skills, standing and trading because he's fallen in love with his stand up. Lawal did the same thing vs Feijao. Sokodjou has also done the same preferring to stand and trade instead of using his base in Judo which saw him become the US 2001 open Judo champion.

Most in MMA are always insisting that to be succesful you MUST be well rounded. This isnt true in my opinion otherwise fighters like CC wouldnt have had success in MMA. Neither would guys like Manhoef. They're not the greatest on the ground but they have complimented their striking with a solid takedown defense and CC is capable of defending himself on his back.
The same is true of Aoki. He continues to win because he's BJJ is simply one of the best in the world. Can he get better by adding some striking? Of course. But he knows that he's bread and butter is he's ground game and his submission skills.

MMA is all about how well you peform your style vs someone else's style. Essentially its down to execution. Those that can execute win. Those that "know" what there doing win. Those that look to emulate styles their simply not familiar with loose.

 

I just posted an article about Freddie Roach who had worked with several MMA fighters and analyzed their boxing abilities. He himself admitted that what's considered good sound defense in boxing isn't so effective in MMA because of the potential knees, kicks and other variables. People have to remember that when they're critiquing an MMA fighters striking abilities and range. The concept of 'good' and 'bad' offense/defense is 100% relative to the venue in which it's being applied. It's also difficult to unlearn those things right away.

I certainly wouldn't say that MMA fighters are just average at everything. Couture and Lesnar for example are anything but average wrestlers. But it's true that you can't be be above average at every fighting style all at once. I believe that's what makes MMA so challenging and unpredictable. Which fighters do you believe are average at everything? Some people simply aren't as gifted. Aren't there average boxers as well?

In an actual world street fight you can't be expected to rely on your opposition to merely sit back and agree to your terms. A person is by nature going to utilize whatever tools they have at their disposal in order to create the greatest advantage for himself. I love MMA because it allows for that to take place.

 

I think the James Toney fight emphatically proved that you do indeed have to be well rounded to compete successfully in MMA.