Toney - Jones 2 negotiations

He did ask for it, but not at smw. Jones was asked about a rematch late 96 and he turned it down
source: The pre-fight talk for Brannon

Jones was also offered the fight after Toney beat Jirov

Jones didnt do much from 95-02. There really was no reason that fight could not happen

It took Jones 8 years into his HBO contract before he took a high risk fight, by that time HBO said themselves that they had enough of him.
They needed him to go on a losing streak so that they could cancel his contract which explains why they pushed him into Tarver 2

Peter Kohl was telling the truth Jones admitted late 01 that he was offered 5m, but he wanted 10m instead

Jones killed that fight in 96 and 01

Jones was never in a position to defend his belt against anyone other that Tua. He moved down 3 weeks before he was due to get stripped

Jones has not desevered any of the title shots he got post Tarver 2. In other words he has no problem getting undeserved shots but refused to give Toney one.

 

I think we can agree on that. But why agree verbally to the rematch (Roy) and then not sign the contract? No wonder Toney and the fans are frustrated about that...

Let's be realistic, these two fighting each other is the biggest fight both can get at this point. In the US, in Russia or elsewhere. With the right promotion, I think they could both make 500k each in such a rematch. Easy.

 

what a ridiculous joke, only making a mockery of the sport. None of these guys should be sanctioned to fight, no wonder its in Russia.

 

General Zod,

Nice to see you back, it's been a while.

I'm not disputing that Roy didn't want it. I know that. He had nothing to prove.

What I'm saying is, I was surprised that in the post fight interview, Toney didn't mention anything about a rematch somewhere down the line.

He never said anything, but then took his frustration out on Jackie Kallen.

It's easy to say he didn't do much. Del Valle, Johnson, Hill, Griffin and Harding were all good fighters.

Again, why would Roy have wanted to fight Toney again?

Define a high risk fight.

When his first HBO contract expired, he was offered a new one. He fought on HBO many times. So they can't have been that fed up with him.

Yeah to go to Germany. But he didn't want to go to Germany, which he made abundantly clear. Your own links have a quote of Roy saying "I don't think a knockout would be enough over there!"

According to Kohl, Roy turned down numerous offers to go to Germany. He then told Roy and his team, that if they weren't prepared to go to Germany, then they had to put together a great package for them to go to the U.S. But as we know, Kerry Davis found it extremely hard to negotiate with Kohl, with Kohl at one point, purposely ignoring his attempts to make contact. He admitted that.

We've discussed this.

In 96, Roy had the opportunity of either rematching a MW who he'd recently beaten with an injured hand, or going up to 175.

He chose 175. Again, why would he have wanted to fight Hopkins in 96?

In 2002, Hopkins originally wanted more money than Roy. Which was bizarre when Roy held a win over him, and he was two divisions higher, and would had to have cut weight to fight at a catchweight.

I personally believe that he'd have given up the belt in 2003 to face Tyson. It would have been a huge payday for him.

He still spoke of wanting to face Tyson, even after he'd relinquished the belt.

That was his prerogative.

I'm sure there's examples of many fighters that have gained undeserved title shots, who weren't willing to give others the same opportunity.

 

I can't condone Roy verbally agreeing and then backing out. If that's what happened, then it's understandable why people are angry.

But as of yet, I've seen nothing apart from Toney's Facebook account.

I don't think anybody knows the exact details, and I still don't know if Roy's fighting Saturday or not.

 

Seems like Roy called out Toney, Silva and Lebedev after gettimg his w... He should fight Toney and call it a day...

 

Roy is the best to ever live

 

These are way over the hill, but I would love to see it.

 

Toney vs. Jones -- the battle of the broke. Both guys can't pay their bills so they have to fight. Quite sad.

 

Do you think he had something to prove against guys like Lucas, Harmon, Telesco, Sosa and Pazienza?

That's a weak point
Plenty of fighters who did not mention a immediate rematch after a loss have gone onto to make one happen.

????????

Toney started calling out Jones after the Malinga fight, but Jones turned him down claimimg that the money was not worth the risk. Jump to early 94 and Toney was going to vacate the ibf belt because he was finding it hard to make weight. Its around the Durham fight that Jones's team would contact him about a fight and Toney would turn it down saying I can't make 168 lbs no more, but I would be willing to make the fight at 175 lbs, but Jones would refuse. HBo and Kellen would get involved and Toney would allow himself to be talked into taking the fight at 168 lbs. Its the reason why Jones laughs at the post fight interview saying he knew it was going to be hard for Toney to get down from 200lbs.

So how could Toney demand a rematch right after the fight? For the record he would start calling Jones out around late 95

None of the above guys were anything special

De Valle
Notable wins:0
Notable losses: Hill, Jones
This to you is a win worth mentioning?

Harding
-Was a green contender going into the Jones fight
Notable wins: Tarver(green), Griffin
Notable losses: Tarver(prime), Johnson, Dawson(green)
Harding was just a contender

Hill
-Past prime
-Coming of a near shut out loss
Notable wins: Maske
Notanle losses: Hearns(shot), Dm, Jones, Mormeck I, Mormeck II, Maske
Hill was nothing special

Johnson
-Waay past prime
-Had not beaten a live opponent in years
lhw resume
Notable wins: 0
Notable losses: Tarver, Jones
He lost both those fight by near shut out. The judging for the Tarver fight was a joke, The only round Johnson deserved to win was round 9
This to you is a win worth mentioning?

Griffin
Notable wins:
Toney I
Debatable wins
Should of lost Toney II
Dived in the Jones I fight

Notable losses:
Jones ko 1
Dm ko 4
Johnson ko 10 - this is the same Johnson you call a journeyman
Tarver - shut out loss
points losses to ordinary fighters like Harding, Hoye and Gonzalez
Griffin spent the bulk of his prime as a journeyman

All of the above fighters are B level, at best

Because it would of been a succesfull ppv fight, unlike all of his other ppv flops. Alll of his ppv fights from 95-2000 flopped and lost money

A fight were the outcome is in doubt, like the proposed Jirov

http://a.espncdn.com/boxing/a/2002/0904/1427223.html

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-hauser/hbo-boxing-the-challenge

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5m is a insane amount for a fight, way above Jones's average purse which at that point was around 2.1-2.2m
I think its also safe to assume he wanted 10m for that fight in America as well

http://a.espncdn.com/boxing/a/2002/0904/1427215.html

?????????
1: There was more money for the Hopkins fight. That was the fight Dibella desperately wanted
2: Jones made no mention of being injured during the post fight interview for the Hopkins fight. He put down his lacklustre performance to the fact that it was his first big fight. He did not start to claim to be injured until much later
3: Jones had already fought at 175 against Sosa
4: Jones's intention after the McCallum fight was to drop back down to 168. See the prefight interview for the Griffin I fight

See above

Who killed the fight in 96 and 01?

1: You don't know him
2: There is no evidence to suggest he would
So how can you believe he was going to do it?

Because as we all know Jones never lies about anything

Jones has always been a hypocrite
-He complained about King, while ripping off his opponents
-Talks about McClellan while using steroids to increase his punching power

 

Zod,

I am pretty sure all the above fighters you listed were all top 10 LHW fighters when Roy beat them.. Griffin was also ranked highly pound for pound when Roy knocked him out in the first round.. That was a big fight at that time, Its easy to look back now and say he wasn't good, but at the time he was... Would Roy have fought Toney had he been able to get past Griffin? We will never know.

You are also going on about HBO being fed up with Roy, but some of those fighters you listed HBO had wanted the fight.

Roy cleared out the entire LHW division save DM..


You are a great poster, but you are way too hard on Roy...

Knocking out a now hall of famer with a body shot was nothing special? come on.

 

I don't care about not wanting to fight Toney now... The fight would be a joke, just as Jones Hopkins 2 was and just as Anderson Silva would also be...

Toney may be a real fighter, but lets not forget, Roy wiped the floor with him. That needs to be taken into account when judging Roy's ATG status.

 

LMAO:bbb

 

The Ring rankings are just a ordering of the best guys in the division. Being highly ranked in a deep division is different from being ranked in a weak division

I'm not so sure about that. He dived in the Jones I fight and was a heavy underdog going into the fight.10-1 to be exact

I have to disagree with that

They wanted him to unify which is why they paid so much for the De Valle and Johnson fights, but there was a lot of fights they did not want. Brannon, Lucas, Kelly, Woods etc

He also should of fought Graciano

Hill does not deserve to be in the hof