Toney now has had THREE heavyweight wins taken away from him......

I think that everyone here agrees that Toney has no one to blame but himself for his steroid fiascos There are no excuses for such anabuse. I just think that Toney beat Ruiz on skills alone and that steroids did little to nothing to enhance his performance. That being said, I disagree with the author of this theread on his claim that Toney had been robbed 3 times. Toney did wrong against Ruiz and was rightfully punished for doing so. As for the Peter I and Rahman II fights, I fully agree that they were wrongfully from him...

 

he use to have the best name ever "foulmouth james toney" whatever happened to his nickname

 

I really do not know what fight you saw. It was Toney who outlanded the bigger man. It was Toney who was more active, landing many more jabs. Peter had a hard time landing a clean shot on Toney. I do not need to rewatch that fight, I already saw it 3 or 4 times,

 

check the stats

Blows were reported as Peter 327/772 42%; Toney 218/647 34%

and no i'm not mistaking the first and second fights, those are the numbers for the first fight (according to BoxRec).

 

Time to bring in some objectivity here. It is the general consensus of the media and the fans is that Peter clearly lost the fight. The point deduction is irrelevant here. The decision is a classic example of corruption in boxing. Hell, it was so bad that even the WBC, who could have been happy with a young African born title challenger Peter, did something very rare in ordering an immediate title elimination rematch. Just watch Ivan Gotzev face until the decision was announced, it speaks volumes about the outcome...

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atsch You ****ing clown! Nothing else needs to be said.

 

what can be more objective than me posting the punchstats. Make what you will of them, but they are what they are.

I had Peter winning the fight. I didn't check what the media scores were, what other fans thought, or what the judges scored. I just scored the fight, and it ended up 9 rounds to 3 for Peter. If that is so out of this world then please explain why 2 of the judges also had it that way.

I don't think the judges were bought off or that they were more inclined to give Peter points because of his nationality. Do you? I think they scored the fight how they saw it.

The WBC ordering an immediate rematch might have more to do with them grabbing an opportunity to make money than anything else.

 

Well then I gotta disagree with those number. Compubox does not always tell the whole story as meaningless punches are counted. I certainly do not see Toney getting hit with 42 %, that is rightout ridicoulous. In my view Toney landed more punches and the cleaner punches. Peter's punches landed oftentimes behind Toney's head. Toney landed the cleaner punches and that is an official criteria to judge a fight.

 

I agree with Lowblow. Logic arguments have been provided why Toney cleanly won the fight and the vast majority agree with them. You only base your opinion that Peter won on those dubious punch stats from Box Rec. Peter was befolded by Toney's style and he could not solve the puzzle. Rewatch the fight and you may change your opinion.

 

Since you are saying it again, and apparently forgot our last conversation...let me help you out again...

In what I have stated, which was little, absolutely.

Yes.

I have, and I don't.

Are you a Pro Boxer...???...do you or have you practiced sports medicine. You don't have to be to know that steroids are effective in helping heal injury.

Nobody here denied that steroids are effective in building muscle.

I don't see why playing "interview with a steroid user," would help prove a point that is already a given.

Doctors have in the past prescribed steroids to speed up healing of injuries.

It makes more sense to believe him than to believe you, he has medically documented injuries, and was under a physicians care...if he did not, your accusations might be entertained.

If you want medical proof that steroids are effective in helping heal injuries, check out...

"Glucocorticoid antagonism by exercise and androgenic-anabolic steroids". Medicine and science in sports and exercise 22 (3): 331–40
by Hickson R, Czerwinski S, Falduto M, Young A copyright 1990.

 

I think that we can't join the ends here. Toney vs. Peter was the single worst decision of the year 2006 and compu stats numbers will do little to change my opinion. Compu stats numbers alone can't be the measuring stick to judge fights as they only compare numbers and do not appreciate other elements such as ring general ship, effectif agressivness etc etc.

 

I can't bring new elements to the debate because I simply don't have enough medical knowledge to do so. I however can not understand how Toney, a future hall of famer, is by some reduced to a steroid fraud. His achievements speak for themselves and are solely due to his fantastic skills and craftmanship. While I don't question his positiv tests, I think that Toney's career must be viewed over all of its 20 year span and be rightfully appreciated as an ATG career.

 

Well the new element you brought to the discussion is a balanced appreciation of an ATG without an ageda, and without a previouisly determined partisanship in the issue it helps your words ring true.

 

When was the last time anyone saw Toney fight for two rds in a row? Does not happen he can only fight 3 rds out of 12 with at least two rds rest in between. Rahman had nothing to worry about.

 

Considering Toney won the 2nd and 3rd rounds, one doesn't even need to go back beyond his last outing to prove this statement incorrect.