Toney that beat Barkley instead of Taylor, would he walk the super 6?

You may be right. AA has a strong chin, so he may make it to the finishing line although a late stoppage set up by body punches is also possible.

 

No doubt Toney could be very inconsistant due to poor discipline. But you seem to be focused on mainly the negatives of Toney's career and gloss over his great acheivements.

You mention drawing with McCallum, do you even know who McCallum is? He was a great fighter and losing to Kalambay is understandable during the late 80's Kalambay was a very skillful boxer, who beat Barkley, Herol Graham twice, Steve Collins and of course McCallum himself. Though of course McCallum avenged this loss a few years later.

As for Griffin you mention his loss to Jones but omit his defeat of Jones. I know it was more due to Jones beating himself but he was giving a prime Jones absolute fits for the first half of the fight.

As for Jirov he was a cruiserweight which is a division which has had very few stars but there is no denying that Jirov was regarded as the best cruiser weight at that time.

You are coming over in your posts as either a hater or not very knowledgable about boxing which does not add any weight to your arguments. You may deny Toney's greatness but many would disagree with you.

 

Awesome post.

 

Griffin gave Jones fits in their first bout. That's partly why Jones lashed out at him when he knocked him down - because Griffin was frustrating him and keeping it close. These were the scores at the time of the stoppage:

Barbara Perez 75-76 | judge: Chuck Hassett 77-75 | judge: Terry Smith 76-75

A very close fight and a very good performance from Griffin - proof that Jones wasn't all that unbeatable in his prime. But the huggers will start saying that Roy was taking over, blah, blah, blah, most talented natural athlete ever, blah, blah, looked uncompetitive because he was so amazing, blah, blah, blah.

Either way, Griffin was a good fighter and it's no shame that Toney lost to him. Toney isn't as good as people like to make out, but he was very good when on his game.

 

blah blah blah RJJ had one fight that was sort of competitive blah blah blah for the first few rounds, and stops the guy like he's nothing in the blah blah blah rematch, and that is your case for RJJ being 'not that unbeatable'?

Good work there, Dick Tracy.

For the poster above who said RJJ's defense just looked good because fighters were scared to hit him, I gotta disagree. Anybody who gets that ring is brave, and they ALL wanted to hit him. RJJ was like Ali, just because his hands are down doesn't mean you're gonna get to that chin. His defense was in his footwork and moving his head more than blocking with his hands. Believe me, if he was that hittable you would have seen him getting hit.

 

I'll take it slow, since this might be your first time in the land of "making a point".

Griffin, who wasn't a great fighter by any means, used movement and defence to hold Jones very very close - Jones' adaptability meant he was starting figure Griffin out but it took him six rounds. Against a adaptive fighter like Calzaghe or later-period Hopkins, that would have caused him a lot of problems.

Hence, not unbeatable. Pretty simple, Big Boy, isn't it?

 

No. RJJ took a few rounds to figure out Griffin, and right off the top of my head I think that's pretty much the ONLY fight RJJ had where he actually had to work a little bit, until he won a heavyweight title and came back down in weight.

You're trying to use this fight as some sort of example that RJJ isn't that great? A fight, mind you, where he wasn't losing or anything like that, it just took him a few rounds to really start beating on the guy? That's very sad... I mean, that's some of the purest hatorade I've seen poured on this board. I would say that most likely every OTHER fight RJJ ever had, where he pretty much sailed along doing whatever he wanted from the opening bell to the finish is much more likely to be what a fight with Cal or even a later B Hops would look like, and I'm a HUGE Hopkins fan. However, if it makes your tiny ***** hard to imagine that it would take 6 or 8 rounds for RJJ to start beating up on Cal, then knock yourself out.

If a young RJJ was around right now he would just smoke these guys, make them look bad. Everybody would be complaining about his level of opposition. No different than when he was actually still RJJ.

 

I'm having to hide my erection.

 

:good now that would be somthin'

 

you mean tony that got a gift decision against reggie johnson,beat an old barkley (who a few years earlier was blown out in one round by nigel benn) moved to lhw and lost to montell griffin...

no.

if that overrated meatball is such a great boxer then tell me this,how come he couldnt outbox the black mashmellow sam ' no i am spartacus ' peter.

 

Calzaghe is from another era then the rest, so I'd put in Graciano Roccighiani for the euros instead. A very underrated fighter during the short prime he had, and yes ,he was from Germany. Just as good as Henry Maske in my book. I'm not sayin he's better then Calzaghe, but Calzaghe had his breakthrough against Eubanks after Roy and Toney had left SMW and McClellan got injured.

Roy Jones, Toney, McClellan, Benn, Roccighiani and Eubanks in a super 6 tournament back in 1994, what a tought! Man, these guys would have blown the present super 6 out of the water!

 

toney yessir

 

Roy Jones would crucify anyone in this tournament...

 

Gift decision against Johnson, my ass. It was Montell who got two gifts against Toney.

 

what a hater post.

First, Toney didn't get a gift decision against Reggie Johnson. It was a close fight, Toney deserved the nod. But you probably know that anyways. BTW, how many fighters were able to beat Reggie Johnson at the time he met Toney?

Second, Barkley was considered a top fighter and he was the SMW champ when he faced Toney. Toney was considered the underdog. I know Barkley is not an ATG, but he's a HOFer and Toney totally schooled his ass. It was a beauty to see, maybe Toneys most dominant performance, but not his best win. The fight is until this present day used by boxing trainers as an example for effective counterpunching. You can't compare the Toney-Barkley fight and the Benn-Barkley fight, Benn and Barkley had a 1 round life and death war where both were on the brink of getting knocked out while Toney took his time and methodically took Barkley apart.

Third, James Toney did outbox Sam Peter in their first fight. I know he got beat in the rematch, where he prepared all wrong, but are you telling me Toney isn't a great boxer because of that fight??

I know Toney had some off-nights during his long, 80+ pro fights career, but when trying to put the man down you could at least have chosen other fights to make him look bad. But I guess you just don' know enough about his career to do that.