Toney V Foreman Circ 1995?

Well clearly not "everyone" agrees or I wouldn't have wrote that. Peter landed way more and had several moments in the bout where he bullied Toney with his size and punch output. He was also able to hammer away at Toney with his jab.

I noticed people are very quiet about the fact he lost the rematch as well, or that he lost to Hasim Rahman and both Klitschkos. What decent Heavy weight did Toney beat besides an old shot Holyfield?

 

Foreman batters Toney and stops him in the mid rounds. Toney had a decent run at the heavyweights in the 2000's because the division was really bad.

 

I suggest watching more old Foreman. Old Foreman stamina as an older man was understandably poor. So he didn't throw many punches. Because of this he went life and death with Alex Stewart while arguably losing, lost every round to Morrison and was losing every round to Moorer before the KO. Then after winning the title Axel Schulz absolutely schooled him in a complete robbery

However Toney had got too fat and out of shape by the Peter fight. I'd rather put the Toney of the Holyfield bout before he ruptured his achilles, which is an injury you never fully recover from.

I'd still pick the Toney of the Peter fights to outbox Old George. Sam Peter was faster and had a higher workrate than old George.

 

Ruiz and really Rahman quit in the rematch. Guinn was a fringe contended back then too

 

He did not beat Ruiz. He tested for a banned substance.

 

He did beat Ruiz. He also tested positive for a banned substance. At this stage banned substances are pretty much part of the sport. Everyone uses them. Foreman was very probably roided up, in his comeback if not his first career.

 

Ok so we just ignore official verdicts and overlook PED abuse? Lol. This is comedy.

 

If we’re using Toney from the Holy fight, juicing is allowed and encouraged.

 

So You want to put a juiced 5'10 flabby 230 pound Toney who had zero punching power and short arms against a juiced 250 pound 6'3 Foreman with long arms...? Good luck with that.

 

No mythical fighters. Only the versions that existed. Toney was 217 for Holyfield and had great reflexes and enough pop to stop Evander. 1995 Forman had nothing for that guy.

 

Stopping a washed up Holyfield who lost his reflexes and durability through more than a decade of wars and rigorous training/sparring/weight lifting, and had a flimsy easy to crack open guard doesn't mean he's going to stop Foreman (whose chin was solid granite and had a cross arm block that was like a stone fortress). I would bet my left testicle that it doesn't happen.

Unless you think Toney can somehow do better than a prime Holyfield who threw like 12 unanswered shots on Foreman who didn't so much as take a knee? Or Morrison, prime Briggs, prime Moore, Cooney, Stewart, etc?

 

That old version of Holyfield kind of reminded me of Foreman. He was still very durable, as evidenced by every other fight but Toney, and game until Toney started countering him to death.

Go back and watch that fight. Holyfield was favored.

 

Nope it is totally unfair to say everyone used PEDs.
Many did. Others did not because of one or more of: principle, not wanting to risk exposure, not believing it would help, etc.

We really do not know if it was 20% or 90% who dabbled, ;let alone used seriously.
Anything else is rank speculation.
You cannot reason your way to knowing this.
And Foreman did not have more muscle than he did when young-& many reach their peak strength naturally at the age he was at his comeback peak.
given his bone structure & great natural strength, unlike Holyfield nothing about his body, how he got there, & what was uncovered, was suspicious.

 

Some people really believe that Toney would stop Foreman? What is wrong with you?

 

Holyfield was favored because Toney didn't really make a splash at heavyweight. This is literally his only significant win unless you overlook his PED abuse for the Ruiz fight.

Holyfield got knocked out because he was using a half assed cross arm block and was completely shot with horrible reflexes.

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1995 George was not nearly as worn out as that version of Holyfield. For starters, he was far better at using the cross arm guard than Holyfield and Toney would have a hard time landing anything flush with such a huge guard and Toney's short arms. Foreman would go on to put on a master class clinic against Briggs and get robbed. He still had his jab and sledgehammer rights and uppercuts. He was still as strong as an ox and wouldn't allow Toney to crowd him and set up those counters in the first place. If Samuel Peter (a caveman with gloves) can keep Toney at the end of his jab Foreman would pull it off with ease. Even if Toney got inside and tried to be cute with body shots and inside fighting, it would just end up looking like the Qawi fight with Foreman mauling him.

This is a horrible matchup for Toney. I'm honestly shocked someone as knowledgeable as you would think for one second that Toney could actually pull off a stoppage on one of the most durable heavyweights of all time when he couldn't put a dent in Rahman, Peter, Ruiz etc. Not to mention Roy freaking Jones went the distance with him.