Toney v Hagler @ MW

Hagler, 12 or 15 rd UD. He was a busy switch-htting boxer/puncher. He`d be too busy for Toney to get comfortable. And, it is Toney who would be slightly intimadated, not Hagler. He had good power in both hands, switched up nice and smooth, and he`d outwork Toney. I actually think he`d be too mean and to physical for Toney. Toney tended to get lazy and lay on the ropes. That is where Hagler would do his best work, and Hagler was in much better physical condition as well. Another thing people tend to forgetm Hagler could box like hell when he needed too ! Very sharp sothpaw jab and smooth footwork. I don`t think he`d stop Toney, by beat him by a good margin ...

 

Hagler in a clear decision win, he may even drop Toney once or twice.

Hagler went 62-3-2 (52) overall and 13-1-1 (12) in MW World Title Fights. He was never stopped and the only knockdown of his pro career was actually a slip, vs. Roldan.

All 3 of his losses were close, even questionable. He went 2-0-1 (1) vs. Ray Seales, 1-1 (1) vs. Bobby Watts, 2-1 (2) vs. Willie Monroe, and 1-0-1 (1) vs. Vito Antuofermo. He also lost a split-decision to Ray Leonard in his last pro fight. In all honesty, a serious case can be made that he never lost a pro fight.

Some of the other fighters he beat are-

Eugene Hart KO8, Bennie Briscoe W10, Alan Minter KO3, Mustafa Hamsho KO11 and KO3, Caveman Lee KO1, Tony Sibson KO6, Wilford Scypion KO4, Roberto Duran W15, Juan Roldan KO10, Thomas Hearns KO3, and John Mugabi KO11.

Duran was the only fighter Hagler did not stop in his 13 MW World Title Fight wins.

Toney was a good MW as well. He went 32-0-2 (22) before vacating the MW title. He went 1-0-1 vs. Sanderline Williams and 1-0-1 vs. Mike McCallum (he also beat McCallum at CW). He won split-decisions vs. Arthur Willis, Merqi Sosa, Reggie Johnson, and David Tiberi. His win over McCallum was a majority-decision. He was down and cut badly vs. Johnson.

He also beat Michael Nunn KO11... he was being easily outboxed by Nunn prior to the stoppage.

Very close in height but Hagler would have a 3" reach advantage.

 

Great points ! Look at some of the fighters Hagler beat,BEFORE he won the title !

 

Hagler was far, far better at middleweight. He wouldn't let Toney off the hook, making him fight 3 minutes every round, keeping the pressure on. Comfortable points victory for Marvelous.

 

MMH was versatile, but more boxer-puncher than pressure fighter. He was certainly capable of fighting that way, a la vs. Hearns, but we're not talking about a middleweight Joe Frazier here. Many of his fights were more calculating than fistic warfare.

That being said, I think Toney freezes the way he did against Roy -- he pays enough of a price for taking the lead and withdraws to a more safety-first approach.

It's a nice chess match that Hagler takes by UD.

 

ignorant post . After all of d time in here this 1 ignores (or somehow doesn't know) d fact that Toney was drained vs Jones , he didn't freeze at all in there and was not awed at all by Roy's "speed" , he just had 2b carried from d weigh in ("just") a day earlier by his entourage because he was that much dehydrated . he had 2b starved , then dehydrated and then hydrated again , all of these after overstuffing himself with enfattening food since his fight b4 . And this is considered d usual James Toney . Toney wasn't himself during at least most of his year and something at middleweight either and hence Tiberi & Johnson .

 

They were all controversial I thought toney won them all quite clear, especially the second griffin scrap

 

Hagler UD12

 

I think Toney put on something like 17 lbs. after the weight in, which is staggering.
But even so, I think Roy's speed caused a great deal of difficulty for Toney.

On topic, I think this is a very good matchup that would be close for a good deal of the fight. Toney was very tricky, intelligent and tough. Down the stretch, think Hagler pulls it out by outworking Toney.

UD for Marvin, with neither fighter ever being in much trouble and closer in reality than it would be on the cards.

 

This sounds reasonable. Neither the Duran or the Leonard that Hagler fought were as slick and sharp as Toney, nor as strong and powerful, and their slipping and countering really gave Hagler problems. A Toney on top form would by some margin be the best opponent Hagler ever faced IMO. A prime Hagler could always outwork Toney, though. A tight one.

 

Toney was more drained than Roy Jones was against Antonio Tarver in their 1st time which is much more than Roy was drained vs Tarver in their 1st time . What u'r claiming here is Xcatly like if Toney stopped a super drained Jones and u went like : Toney would have always timed Jones in that round or another . Jones' win over Toney just like Toney's over Nunn r meaningless . Both men have their share of worthless performances just like most do , but Roy made a career out of such worthless performances , just like less but still many do . However when ppl start taking him more seriously than they should , is where d crazy assumptions begin .