Toney vs Harrison (In Talks)

I missed the part where you stated James Toney has power...

No it does not. The fact that he beats up his opponents is a testament to his power...and the fact that real HWs (not boxing posters who hate Toney) who have been hit by James, have testified to his power...which is also evidenced by his TKO of Evander, and his rocking Rahman in such a way that his ass became glued to his stool.

You provided no evidence...you are advocating the nonexistence of something, James Toney's power. Logically speaking proving the nonexistence of something is a much more difficult and a far less likely prospect than proving the actual existence of something.

In contrast, referencing an actual TKO is how you prove power...a lack of a KO does not prove a lack of power, only lack of a KO.

What you are trying to say is something simillar to..."If the car doesn't go down the street, it has no fuel..."

I hope you can see how this is a flawed postition...power is not the only thing that produces a KO, anymore than fuel is the only factor in moving an automobile.

Let's look at who he has been in the ring with...He's faced WBA champ Ruiz, WBC Champ Peter (2x), former Undisputed Champ Evander Holyfield...you haven't a leg to stand on, attacking Toney's competition, he's faced more reputable competition since he's been campaigning at HW, than the current Champs have defended against.

You can repeat that all day long, but you can't even produce one quote from a HW who has faced him who says that James Toney has no power. In contrast, former WBC Champ Rahman and current WBC Champ Peter have stated that he has HW power. They know better than you.

That's good for Chris, Toney would still kick his ass...has Byrd said Toney has no power...???...naming fighters with a higher KO percentage doesn't help your case...regardless of how successful or not Chris Byrd is, that takes nothing away from the power Toney has.

James Toney has power.

The majority of James' KOs at HW are still on the way...your stats and "facts" show only his KO percentage, they do not guage his actual power...beat up opponents is just as telling with regards to power as a KO, although less spectacular to some in viewing.

 

I pick Harrison by boring UD. Toney is too old and too fat. Harrison can just use his extensive reach and throw jabs. Toney w/o steroids doesn't have the energy, stamina or strength to get passed that.

 

So you've viewed the training footage, interviews, and Rahman rematch all this summer...???

...if you did I, don't know why you would still believe he's too old and too fat.

 

i'm not saying the holy win wasn't a good one, it was. but holy had looked pretty bad vs byrd the fight before though he claimed he had a shoulder injury. holy was also recently off a trilogy w/ ruiz where he struggled to win any too convincingly.

 

You know, I gotta say. The best useful part of your post was the part where James Toney almost wooped Gray's ass. (Lol)

Lets see where to begin on your "meaningful" post. Everyone can agree, haters and non haters, that Holy was not the same fighter after the Bowe fights. His defeat to Micheal Moorer, showcased how lethargic he had become. He's two "Losses", (I say two because Lewis was robbed on the first) to Lennox Lewis told the all to clear signs, as well. Than there was the losses to John Ruiz. (Insanely boring fights, even to a student of boxing like myself)

The signs were all to clear, my friend. He was on a rapid decline. It was clear that his better days were far behind him, consensus or no consensus.
You can't ignore the signs.

As far as for Holy himself answering Gray's question, on weather Father time had caught up. What fighter do you know would agree with the media, that his days were up? You're not gonna make ANY fighter with the mindset "I still have a few good fights" believe that they are finished. His answer was typical of any fighter. I love Evander Holyfield! There isn't a man alive that can match his heart and toughness, but his time has passed. Long ago.

The bottom line, Holyfield hasn't won a legitimate fight since 1997, when he avenged his loss to Moorer.

As for Toney's weight? It doesn't matter how good of shape he gets, he's an old man in a young man's game.

Ask yourself this, how do you think Toney would fair against a mutual opponent in Lennox Lewis? Easy, KTFO.

 

If Toney lost to Audrey he's look like a right mug.

 

Toney has no power at Heavyweight

Going to Decisions with Rydel Booker, Guinn, Batchledor, and everyone else but 1 fighter tells me he has no power

I just showed you where he has one TKO in 9 fights at Heavyweight. If he had any power he would have more stoppages.

If he can't stop anyone he has no power.

Toney has no power at Heavyweight

Holyfield was old and shot, Toney used steroids to beat Ruiz, Peter has ZERO skill Toney had to use steroids AGAIN to beat Danny Batheledor.

Rahman has a Glass Jaw his opinion on power means nothing.

James Toney has no power at Heavyweight.

On the way? LOL. Toney is a fat steroid addicted 40 year old fighter he is finished on the World level. Him having to fight Audley Harrison :rofl atsch proves this.

James Toney has no power at Heavyweight his one stoppage in 9 fights is proof.

 

Toney in a wide, wide UD. He is too featherfisted to even KO Audley, but he would put on a boxing lesson.

 

Saying a fighter is not the same, and calling him shot are two different things...my point is that Hoyfield was not considered to be "shot" until Toney beat him, to the dismay of the revisionists.

Please be familliar with the entire picture before making such damaging assessments of Evander...all that was "showcased" was the fact that he had a heart condition. When he went to the hospital following the fight to be treated for his shoulder they discovered it (although later HOLY stated it may have been a misdiagnosis)...also you conveniently ignore the fact that HOLY eventually rematched him KDing him 5 times. Does that not "showcase" how "unlethargic" he had become.

Obviously Evander must have been shot at this point...considering he lost to a bigger, stronger, younger HW Champ in his prime, when Holy was on the other side of his own prime.

Lewis was a few years younger, turned PRO five years later, and was at or near his peak when they met. Holyfield was already World Champ when Lewis won his Euro Belt. Holyfield even being competitive at the level he was proves he was far from shot.

I refuse to blame any real boxer for what happens in a "fight" with Ruiz.

You call it rapid decline...I call it slowly begining to show the signs of the ring wars he's been in, along with simultaneously occurring temporary health problems.

...unfortunately you missed the entire point of my posting the clip.

Jim Grey is a notorious dickhead, when he is interviewing fighters...and he will rub the full extent of a fighters fault in his face. This is a given.

Grey said..."Did father time catch up with you here, TONIGHT..."...at the time if HOLY was considered shot before the fight, Grey would have said something to the effect of..."Many have said that your days were numbered prior to this fight, did you prove them wrong in your losing effort...???"...but no, Jim got to call Holy shot (he didn't use that word though) first...and he said TONIGHT.

Wrong, he is 7-6-2, after beating Moorer...I suppose you have some form of "reasoning" that would make those wins appear something other than legitimate

Did you see his last fight, he looked younger than a lot of HW I've seen lately.

If Toney gets to fight the version of Lewis that saw him get KOd by Rahman, or the one who performed eye surgery on VITKLIT...Toney would win actually. Any other night would be a far tougher test.

 

Lennox would murder Toney

Back to topic, I think it would be a candidate for the most boring fight of the century

Audley will be running from the first bell

 

Yea....this will be a good fight for JT to showcase where he is. Of course beating the snot out of "A" force isn't going to mean much, but I doubt if David Haye will take the fight with James...so this is the next best thing.

 

Just don't go betting on a complete idiotic predicition. I wouldn't want you to loose your home or anything.

 

Toney KO'd Holy and rocked Hasim....I think he can muster up enough pop in his blown up MW body to KO the china chinned harrison.

 

There are few who are better than James....at least on a skills level.

 

True! JT wouldn't have dared stepped in to the ring as a HW had this been in the early to mid 90s and the entire 80's.....no need to bring up the golden era of HW boxing in the 70's.

James is only a HW b/c...well...Just look at the state of the HW division. we have a bunch of big men with little skill getting by on Power and reach advantage. James is a force in the HW division which is sad, but who can blame him for wanting to beat up on a bunch of Big men with little skill.