Toney vs Harrison (In Talks)

Well my friend, its pointless to argue this with you. You are merely a fanboy, and not an objective fighting analyze.

I will say a few things though. That 7-6-2 record doesn't look like a fighter thats on the up and up. A better question would be, how many top 5 heavy's are on that current record list? (For the record, one of those draws was a gift, because anyone that saw that first Lewis fight knows that there is no way in hell Holy won that fight)

Say what you want, but Evander hasn't been on the championship level for many years. Compare the level of opposition that Holy has fought to Toney's. In fact, compare the level of opposition Toney has fought since his debut compared to Evanders debut as a heavy.

On a final note, lets not forget about his first title shot against John Ruiz. Tested postive for a banned substance!? Lol, there's your hero James "Way to GO" Toney .... :rofl

 

I'll try to only reply to things I haven't addressed repeatedly already. You should understand though, repeating something over and over doesn't make it true...and you failed to comprehend how your attempt at proving the nonexistence of something makes no sense.

If Toney had no TKOs you would be able to at least try, but your inability to recognize a flawed argument is sad and I hope you can improve beyond this state of remedial posting.

No, it tells you he won by decision, and that's all...

...and let's tak about that "1 fighter,"...surely he was more shot when IGGy faced him right...???...would you say IGGY proved he has no power by his inability to TKO Holyfield...or would you say that Toney is more powerful than IGGY due to his TKO of Holy...???

The first sentence here is a fact. I agree 100%. However the following sentence is 100% conjecture...I hope you can understand the difference...it would help you out with what you think are "facts."

You know about Holyfield, you forgot to say except Holyfield. Just to help you with your posting...the first sentence here again is a conjecture...the second sentence is an attempted factual statement, or attempted deceit. Either way it is false, has no place in the discussion and has no supporting evidence.
In contrast, Toney KDing and TKOing Holy proves he has power. He hit Rahman so hard coming out of the 3rd round it glued his ass to the stool. If you require more evidence, James will be in the ring again soon.

Holy was not considered shot until Toney made him look that way.

Toney used steroids to recover form an injury not to beat Ruiz...which he can do anytime, but Ruiz will never fight Toney again.

He has a nice double and triple jab, he has steadiliy improved his boxing...the difference in skill level between Peter-Toney I and II, is the most improvement I've seen in a fighter skills wise, from one fight to the next.

How come you didn't say Batchelder had to use steroids to lose to Toney...???...as strange as it may be, there was a level playing field in that bout.

He's only been KOd by 3 guys in his entire career and has taken punches from a "Who's Who" of HW boxing...the fact that he has been KOd doesn't silence or devalue his opinion on power...if anything it helps it, as he has experience power in every possible way. He has delivered KOs himself, and has received them...all througout he has felt the power of many HW punchers, and is qualified to speak on them.

Tua, Maskaev, Lewis...the only men to KO Rahman. Who have your favorite HWs been KOd by...???...Rahman's expert opinion is noted.

Maybe this is a better form of debate for you, just keep repeating it...since you don't have the ability to move forward in a discussion....and apparently you have no ability to consider facts presented that don't support your own predetermined and clung to point of view.

You are aware of his last fight, he had no problem with his test sample...sure you are, you are just ignoring another unpleasant fact. Obviously he is not addicted to roids if he competed without them recently...and roids are not known for their addictiveness.

1. He doesn't have to fight Audley...and if he does fight him, it only proves that he's fighting Audley. Again, please learn about the difference between facts and conjecture.

He proved he does have power, which you are again failing to acknowledge directly...I love how you note a stoppage victory as one of your points to prove "he doesn't have power."
:nut

 

This is a stay busy fight for Toney, not meaningful at all. Maybe it's just a rumour to put pressure on Haye?

Anyways, Toney would win by middle rds TKO...

 

You can lie to yourself, but you're not convincing us. Toney vs Harrison is retarted, but I'm rooting for Toney because it will show how much of a joke Harrison really is.

*Sidenote*

For some reason, that picture of Suge Knight, makes me want to watch the Fresh Prince. I keep wanting to say "Holy ****!, its Uncle Phil in his Avay" :yep

 

Thank you for statin the obvious!

 

Two things:

-Of course Toney is not a big puncher at HW. How could he be, he's a natural SMW/LHW with HW balls. But to say that he has no power is exaggerated. Toney can throw well-timed, precise punches that will hurt any HW. He can wear his opponents down with that. He knocked down Evander Holyfield (and is one of two men to stop him, the other one being Riddick Bowe) and John Ruiz (one legit KD, one push - and no, it wasn't because of the roids) and he stunned Hasim Rahman and Samuel Peter (who has a good chin - Wlad Klitschko threw the kitchen sink at him and still couldn't put him down), so he is able to hurt and eventually stop legitimate HWs, period.

-Saying that Roy Jones has one of the worst glass chins around is equally exaggerated. I'm not saying that Roy has a good chin, but he wouldn't have had the career he had if his chin was really that bad as you say. He's been in with big punchers before the Tarver debacle, and he also took some big shots before that fight - yes he did. Everybody (except for Oli McCall) can get knocked out, and Roy just got caught with a good shots, both by Tarver and Johnson.

You need to get a more nuanced view on things, it's not always black and white...

 

I'm very objective, and crtical of fighters I am a fan of as well as those I dislike...the record just isn't on your side, with your opinion of me or your analysis of Evander. I gladly factually addressed each of your "points," when the record doesn't agree with you, you resort to name calling though.

You know, that's a far cry from your original statement of "not 1 legitimate win since Moorer." You should be a man and concede the point, rather than change the criteria by which we judge.

You go from stating "not one legit win," to stating "one of those draws was a gift..." Give it up man.

His last fight was a decision loss to a WBO World Champ who wouldn't exchange, and tried to stay away from the old guy...and a couple of fights prior he beat Oquendo (ranked at the time, with a trincket) in what was actually a good fight.

Why...??? I am a Holyfield fan, but it took him 5 fights for him to get to Alex Stewart...James Toney faced 7 different opponents since entering HW, 3 of them current or former HW Champions of the World, and he faced the former Undisputed Champ in his debut.

If boxing were an "official" martial art, James Toney would be the Grandmaster.

 

I'm not a big Toney fan...but even I would be pulling for him to beat Harrison.

 

Toney would beat a version of Lennox?

Quite possibly the dumbest statement ever made in the history of ESB. Holy ****...

 

Anytime you post someone responds factually and you disappear.

What happened to your "anyone who thinks Peter has power is an idiot," position after VITKLIT showed he respects Peter's power.

If you think an injury prone, "could have been," with his eye falling halfway down his face is the only guy who can go life and death with that version of Lewis you are a nuthugger.

 

Sure he might've gone life and death with him but as Lennox so eloquently put it, "Just look at the state of his face!"

Klitschko was getting and would've gotten destroyed had the fight continued...and that was probably a Lennox Lewis who sat around eating frito lays and drinking tea up until a week or two before the fight.

Sure Toney has a chance but in my eyes Lewis doesn't get beat, especially when you look at the difference in power between the two.

 

I disappear because it is all rhetoric. I state objective facts and the only responses are circle jerks.

Please show me where Toney has HEAVYWEIGHT power. He doesn't. He is feather fisted at this level. Not a big deal, he is still ultra talented.

And Peter? Peter is not a powerful fighter. Like Toney, there is no evidence suggesting he is other than one ko against Oleg.

Lennox would teabag Toney at any point. Lennox would never be dumb enough to make it an inside fight.

You are a nuthugger who can't think straight.

 

No you disappear when the debate has moved forward and your ability to reason has not...

Sometimes you try, but for the most part it's stuff like this...

Peter and Rahman have both testified to his power, he stopped Holyfield...I suppose none of those count for you, and you have the nerve to call some blind...:roll:

Maybe there is a brain in there...

...and before the OLEG fight, it was none...now it's "other than OLEG."
...tell me, will you say "other than VITKLIT next...???"

You say that in such a way, one would believe Lewis had no inside game. Lennox may think he could do it on the inside, but I understand your point.

I would note that James would never be dumb enough to fight on the end of Lennox's jab.

 

BTW, I voted Toney by T/KO. If this fight happens he and can't KO the Glass Jawed Harrison this will not be up for debate anymore. Harrison has an awful Chin one of the worst in the sport.

 

Toney easy UD. Or Audley by suprise KO.

No way Audley wins a decision.