Toney vs Jones Jr: More Valuable as a trainer?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by GlassJoe, Aug 4, 2021.

  1. GlassJoe

    GlassJoe 1-99 TBE Full Member

    Dec 8, 2012
    Personally, I have to give the nod to Toney. The reason being that Roy was a gifted athlete that relied upon reflexes and unorthodox stylings which would be incredibly difficult to apply to anyone other than the top 1% of fighters in the world.Toney seems to be the one that I would go to for fundamentals.

    To me, Toney’s weight problems and constant fluctuations highlight his skill and defensive brilliance. The ability to stand in the pocket against naturally far larger men seems to be unparalleled. Add in his shoulder rolls, head movement, boxing from the ropes, and counter punching. It’s exactly these textbook old school techniques that I think are badly needed in today’s fighters.

    I remember assisting in the gym and studying guys like Paul Ingle and Buster Mathis Jr for their bobbing and weaving, as well as guys like Paul Spadafora, Sweet Pea, and Toney. It’s said that legendary trainers like Cus D’Amato required that his pupils studied film on a regular basis. For me, training with guys like Toney or even in the Mayweather gym could provide so much.

    I just couldn’t see too many guys being able to emulate the brilliance of someone like Roy however. He’s just too abnormal, too much of a freak of nature.
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  2. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Active Member Full Member

    Feb 3, 2021
    You must be forgetting that Toney doesn't speak English anymore.
  3. Pepsi Dioxide

    Pepsi Dioxide Active Member Full Member

    Oct 22, 2020
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  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Addict Full Member

    Nov 22, 2014
    Both are extremely experienced and knowledgeable, so either could make a great trainer. That said great fighters rarely make good trainers, since being a great trainer requires putting your protege first, which is hard for former boxing stars to do.
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  5. Olu G. Rotimi

    Olu G. Rotimi Boxing Junkie Full Member

    May 29, 2007
    Does not matter. Speaking the Queens English is not the pre-requisite of a great trainer. Think of Uncle Roger Mayweather and Floyd Joy Mayweather Snr.
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  6. Philly161

    Philly161 "Fundamentals are the crutch of the talentless" Full Member

    Oct 25, 2020
    i mean Toney had a better fundamental education and was a great boxer but he also was notoriously lazy and inconsistent. not what you want in a trainer. toney also like only used to spar to train so your trainer wouldn't know much about other aspects of training.

    RJJ is a student of the sport. while he couldn't train another him because of his natural gifts not being there for everyone, i've seen some footage of him training ppl and he seems like a good teacher. needless to say he's also watched a lot of fights closely and analyzed a lot of styles. Toney was more single minded in his career I think that would hurt him as a trainer.
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  7. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Boxing Junkie Full Member

    May 8, 2014
    Probably Roy. He seems a lot more intelligent than Toney.
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  8. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Roy Jones is helping to train Eubank jr, so we`ll be able tell if he can pass on good training tips.
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Toney`s training habits were awful, Steve Collins sw him drinking loads of coke in between sparring sessions and told him he shouldn`t be doing that and he replied that it was fine.
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    May 4, 2017
    Teaching a fighter to transition his weight is important, so I give the edge to Roy because of this.
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  11. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Well-Known Member Full Member

    Jan 21, 2015
    Style of fighter doesn't have too much to do with it, imo. Freddie Roach was a crude face first brawler. Doesn't mean anything.
  12. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Addict Full Member

    Oct 29, 2012
    He's not your uncle you fake ass poser....
  13. Bogotazo

    Bogotazo Amateur Full Member

    Oct 17, 2009
    Roy has an incredible ring IQ. People think just because he fought with his hands down that he didn't understand boxing technique. First of all that's now how it works, it doesn't matter how athletic you are, you still need to know how to box. Second if you pay attention he does a lot of subtle technical moves that he doesn't get credit for. Skill and technique is about far more than just you guard.
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  14. GlassJoe

    GlassJoe 1-99 TBE Full Member

    Dec 8, 2012
    My brother's friend from childhood (Amer) works in the gym and when I've talked to him he said that the knowledge acquired there is incalculable.
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  15. sasto

    sasto Boxing Addict Full Member

    Aug 5, 2020
    It's funny a lot of the smartest fighters have a brawler or pressure fighting style, while a lot of the slick technicians at least sound dumb.

    I've thought about this and I suspect it's because if you're smart and don't like getting hit you find something else to do and don't become a pro.