Toney vs McCallum Trilogy

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  1. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Watched it a few weeks back and never got round to starting a thread about it.

    This is an overlooked trilogy, 2 very skilled technicians waging a tactical war, not much not to like really.

    It had the classic story line the older champ (McCallum) taking on the young hot shot (Toney). Also the naturally talented kid (Toney) vs the cagey veteran grafter (McCallum)

    The first 2 fights were great fights with back and for action and tactical thinking the epitome of tactical warfare.

    Quite controversial also.

    Thoughts?

    Scorecards (ill post mine later when i find it)
     
  2. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    James Toney vs. Mike McCallum I: 115-114 Toney


    McCallum: 1,5,6,8 and 11.


    Toney: 2,4,7,9,10 and 12.


    Round 3 even.


    James Toney vs. Mike McCallum II: 115-114 McCallum


    Toney: 1,2,6,7 and 8.


    McCallum: 4,5,9,10,11 and 12.


    Round 3 even.
     
  3. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I think I have another card somewhere for Toney-McCallum I and I have Toney taking it by three points. I think the first fight is a clear Toney win. The second one could have gone either way and it was a pale imitation of the first.

    Haven't scored the third fight.
     
  4. Robbi

    Robbi Marvelous Full Member

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    The first fight is one of the best boxing matches you'll ever seen. Lovely crip jabs, feinting, countering, and fierce exchanges for good measure. Some beautiful defensive moves on show as well.

    Without question, an underrated match. Up there with most of the Fabulous Four's fights.
     
  5. bxrfan

    bxrfan Sizzle Full Member

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    I just watched the whole trilogy yesterday.

    Toney-McCallum 1: 114-144

    Toney-McCallum 2: 114-113 McCallum

    Toney-McCallum 3: 117-111 Toney
     
  6. rekcutnevets

    rekcutnevets Black Sash Full Member

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    I've always thought the official results of the first two fights could have been reversed.
     
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If you don't like this trilogy, you are definitely on the wrong forum.
     
  8. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I believe I had Toney winning the first fight the first time I saw it, but in the times I've seen it since then I thought it was close and hard to score.

    I've always thought McCallum was flagrantly robbed in the rematch. I believe I had him winning about 8 rounds to 4.

    The third fight was a clear win for Toney, who came on strong down the stretch to take it as I recall.
     
  9. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1st fight was a pick'em, 2nd was clearly Macallum's. Though he won at a canter but the scoring was horrible.
     
  10. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    **** i can't even remember which fight i watched, only one of them though. I had them winning a round each all the way to round 10, having it even, then Toney taking the last two and winning a close decision. I think it might have been the first fight actually. Anyway, even though i had Toney winning, i thought McCallum throughout the bout, showed the way to beat Toney, by using footwork and not playing into his hands, employing the jab from the outside. Suppose it's credit to Toney that he still won anyway though (in my opinion)
     
  11. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Teeto sounds like the first fight
     
  12. teeto

    teeto Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Think it was, that's how i normally watch series' of fights, with the first one first, think i planned to watch the lot but didn't get round to it.
     
  13. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    you should

    the last ones pretty crap so you could miss it out. Its just y2 old guys in there.
     
  14. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To be honest, I thought both the 2nd and 3rd fights were fairly dull. The only one that was truly great was the first one IMO.
     
  15. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    M2S i liked the 2nd one it was more tactical than the first with out the action.

    i thought the first was mesmerising but the 2nd was intriguing