Toney would have struggled with Calzaghe

Both times?

 

What like Tiberi?

 

Toney would have struggled to not laugh his ass off mid fight

 

toney would have struggled to put down his burger to fight calzaghe.


but once it was down its lightsout!

 

Lights out by 7-8 rounds. Joe was susceptible to right hands and counters and if he had trouble with Hopkins wait till you see Toney .
And we are talking about a guy who has good power, superb technical abilities and had very good defense and on top of that had an iron chin.
As i said b4 zags workrate would be his downfall cause imho he would get countered all night, his punches would hit rarely.
All of this boxrec ****, mistakes in the past,brittle hands bla bla is useless when we are talking about prime vs prime on certain night.

 

I have watched it.. And in my opinion, Joe was hurt.. And did tie up when he got to his feet. You don't have to have shaky legs to be rocked by a punch.

 

You can't spin your way out of this.

I don't care if Toney lost and Joe didn't.

It's irrelevant, went looking at everything as a whole. Otherwise Joe, Sven Ottke, Floyd Mayweather and Rocky Marciano are the four greatest fighters ever.

You don't need Jirov's best wins.

What are Lacy and Kessler's best wins?

I don't want boxrec stats.

Tell me the great fighters that they beat?

I'm not talking about what Toney did, specifically at 168 and 175, I'm talking about as a whole.

You said Joe had the better wins.

It's a joke.

Joe has no wins better than Toney's wins over McCallum, Johnson and a prime Michael Nunn.

 

No they didn't. They fought each other when they were up-and-comers just over 20 fights into their pro-careers and both had yet to achieve anything of note and yet to reach their primes, and then they fought again in the twilight of their careers. When a Hopkins/Jones fight would have really mattered was around 2001/2002/2003 when Jones was the undisputed King of the Light Heavyweights and Hopkins was the undisputed King of the Middleweights. That fight never happened.

 

Stop kidding yourself.

Eubank retired the following year, he had bad knees, that obviously affected his footwork, he took the fight on 11 days notice, and he was preparing to fight an orthodox fighter at a higher weight.

That's not my opinion.

Those are facts.

Eubank had already lost to Collins two years earlier.

It CAN'T be classed as a great win for Joe.

How come everyone can see it, apart from you?

Get back in the real world, you're kidding yourself.

Just think about the above facts.

He was aiming to hit 175, then all of a sudden, he has to hit 168, to face a southpaw?

Man you're reaching!

Why are you comparing Cotto to Eubank?

It's ridiculous!

 

yeah you are both right, he was shaken, but he did recover quick. He always did.

regardless, hes going to struggle and consequently lose if that kept happening to him round after round, like with a prime roy jones or Hopkins, or of course toney.

 

**** argument theres a hundred fatboys in Europe who are undefeated. with no one on their resume its easy.

granted joe is a better than those European fatboys but being undefeated proves only that you ran in fear if you've been around as long as JC.
You have to consider best performances, for JOe thas Kessler, for Toney that's substantially more opponents and of higher calibre. You cant just match worst toney with best calzaghe.


typical bailey wants to match a 40something diseased Muahmmed Ali or blind wheelchairbound McClellan with prime Calzaghe, and allow him to showboat too!

 

Aren't Toney's wins over McCallum contentious on the grounds that many thought McCallum, despite being beyond his prime, did enough to win both. (I dont mean that is any derogoratory way since if I did it would mean I would have to do the same for Calzaghe/Hopkins, and I am, of course, discounting the totally shot McCallum that Toney beat at Cruiserweight as a worthless fight for the same reason I dont count Calzaghe's win against Jones as having any meaning.)

 

Sure, its not a great win, but its not a worthless win either. Eubank proved against Thompson that he was still a dangerous fighter, and he put in a game performance against Calzaghe despite the less than perfect conditions he accepted to make the fight, and there's also the fact that Calzaghe had never fought anyone above domestic level before - which Eubank still was at the time, borderline at least - and had never had a fight in the pro-ring go the distance before.

 

Or it proves you were unambious or lazy and perfectly content sticking with an easy money gig and not fighting the big names.

 

Joe did have very fast recovery.. That punch sure made him hit the floor though.