Toney's resume is vastly underrated.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Amsterdam, Apr 9, 2008.


  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I really can't believe that people don't see the amount of top A class prime fighters that he fought, defeated, competed with and fought never bitching about money, never ducking anybody and never having a care about who the guy was.

    There needs to be a new level of assessment of performance, not just paper wins over inflated names. Toney's competition is just absurd compared to most modern boxers, you're looking at for competition -

    Reggie Johnson
    Mike McCallum x3
    Michael Nunn
    Doug Dewitt
    Iran Barkley
    Tony Thornton
    Tim Littles
    Roy Jones Jr.*
    Montell Griffin x2

    Then onto higher weights -

    Vassily Jirov
    Evander Holyfield
    John Ruiz
    Hasim Rahman
    Samuel Peter x2

    .................

    That's some intense career competition that gets overlooked.

    Then add to the fact that he should have had a win over Griffin and Peter on paper, how do we assess Toney? Seriously, who active or recently retired has fought that kind of competition and has been for the most part successful/competitive with all of it?
     
  2. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    Hahaha.

    After seeing your comment about toney in the Floyd v anyone from 10-147 all time thread I was going to start this thread too. Thanks someone had to do it:good
     
  3. o_money

    o_money Boxing Junkie banned

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    And yeah Toney is one of the best fighters of our era. A true throw back, insane skills, no bull**** just fought the best fighters in the world.
     
  4. EARL

    EARL Active Member Full Member

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    You ain't foolin', either. Easily one of the strongest resumes in boxing. Toney consistently fought the kind of strong opposition that people WISH that your Roy Jones Jrs, Joe Calzaghes, or Bernard Hopkins' could flaunt on their resumes.

    Too bad certain types only want to talk about Tiberi. :verysad

    Actually, now that I think about it.. Roy Jones CAN flaunt such wins on his resume, although he fought inferior versions of certain fighters that Toney did.
     
  5. inchpunch

    inchpunch Active Member Full Member

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    Who is underestimating Toney's resume? He seems to get the credit he desevers here. His great accomplishments don't change the fact that in recent years he has become a delusional, fat, steroid - cheating disgrace. I can take my hat off for his great career and criticise him for his weight issues, his bitching about decisions he clearly lost etc.
     
  6. See Me Flow

    See Me Flow The Pharaoh of Boxing Full Member

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    Good, unbiased post. :good
     
  7. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    He did have some great wins, but he was a mixed bag, with some bad losses that detract from his overall career. Great that he fought some top fighters... But his inconsistency lets him down.
     
  8. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree hes a great fighter and a sure fire HOFer but some things kinda hurt his resume like losing to Montell Griffin twice,being shutout in his biggest fight vs Jones,showing up overweight and losing to Thadzi and not to mention some of the decisions he got that couldve went either way. Inconsistency as u mentioned is the perfect word for his resume. But then agian whos perfect ? There arent 2 many guys who have a prime career like a Whitaker or Jones whos only losses then avenged easily.
     
  9. doug.ie

    doug.ie 'Classic Boxing Society' Full Member

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    yeah...i was thinking about this recently....thats a good post..
     
  10. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    at one point Toney was fighting 5-6 times a year, taking on all comers. He took on Reggie Johnson about 2 months after the gruelling win over Nunn.
    compare that to a guy like Hopkins who was always bitching about his payday, his rights etc. and using that to duck guys, then he fought smaller men who were over the hill and thinks he's something special now, largwly down to such wins. :-(

    how many guys who fought the bulk of their career at 160-168 do you think could go toe to toe with a big, powerful heavy like Peter and at least hold their own, whilst being in the twilight of their career? Would Hagler or Monzon have? Could Jones have? Hopkins? Don't make me laugh.
    Toney is the last true throwback fighter.
     
  11. MSTR

    MSTR More Speed Than Roy!!!!! Full Member

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    Absolutely, when you fight the best, you leave yourself open for defeat. Look at guys like Oscar and Mosley. They could have opted for padded records like some *cough* Mayweather *cough* but chose to fight the best competition they could.
     
  12. Koa

    Koa Boxing Addict Full Member

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    With Toney, I have a hard time comparing him to other greats. You know damned well Toney isn't getting knocked out, he can be out worked, but at lighter weights he could also knock people out.

    Crafty as hell, just lacked speed.. Anyone willing to fight him on the inside would lose. I think Toney may be the best inside fighter to ever step into the ring at 160. Says a whole lot about the guy.
     
  13. Dirty Bastard

    Dirty Bastard Dirty As Hell Full Member

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    DAMM GOOD POST!!!!!
     
  14. hitman_hatton1

    hitman_hatton1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    definitely a great fighter.

    not greater than hopkins though. :yep

    too many lost years and close decisions in his prime for that.
     
  15. Betty Swollocks

    Betty Swollocks James 'Lights Out' Toney Full Member

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    but despite those lost years he's still got a better list of opponents that Hopkins.
    as for the decisions, which ones?
    You can counter any of that by saying he got robbed twice against Griffin and once agaisnt Peter.