I really can't believe that people don't see the amount of top A class prime fighters that he fought, defeated, competed with and fought never bitching about money, never ducking anybody and never having a care about who the guy was. There needs to be a new level of assessment of performance, not just paper wins over inflated names. Toney's competition is just absurd compared to most modern boxers, you're looking at for competition - Reggie Johnson Mike McCallum x3 Michael Nunn Doug Dewitt Iran Barkley Tony Thornton Tim Littles Roy Jones Jr.* Montell Griffin x2 Then onto higher weights - Vassily Jirov Evander Holyfield John Ruiz Hasim Rahman Samuel Peter x2 ................. That's some intense career competition that gets overlooked. Then add to the fact that he should have had a win over Griffin and Peter on paper, how do we assess Toney? Seriously, who active or recently retired has fought that kind of competition and has been for the most part successful/competitive with all of it?
Hahaha. After seeing your comment about toney in the Floyd v anyone from 10-147 all time thread I was going to start this thread too. Thanks someone had to do it:good
And yeah Toney is one of the best fighters of our era. A true throw back, insane skills, no bull**** just fought the best fighters in the world.
You ain't foolin', either. Easily one of the strongest resumes in boxing. Toney consistently fought the kind of strong opposition that people WISH that your Roy Jones Jrs, Joe Calzaghes, or Bernard Hopkins' could flaunt on their resumes. Too bad certain types only want to talk about Tiberi. :verysad Actually, now that I think about it.. Roy Jones CAN flaunt such wins on his resume, although he fought inferior versions of certain fighters that Toney did.
Who is underestimating Toney's resume? He seems to get the credit he desevers here. His great accomplishments don't change the fact that in recent years he has become a delusional, fat, steroid - cheating disgrace. I can take my hat off for his great career and criticise him for his weight issues, his bitching about decisions he clearly lost etc.
He did have some great wins, but he was a mixed bag, with some bad losses that detract from his overall career. Great that he fought some top fighters... But his inconsistency lets him down.
I agree hes a great fighter and a sure fire HOFer but some things kinda hurt his resume like losing to Montell Griffin twice,being shutout in his biggest fight vs Jones,showing up overweight and losing to Thadzi and not to mention some of the decisions he got that couldve went either way. Inconsistency as u mentioned is the perfect word for his resume. But then agian whos perfect ? There arent 2 many guys who have a prime career like a Whitaker or Jones whos only losses then avenged easily.
at one point Toney was fighting 5-6 times a year, taking on all comers. He took on Reggie Johnson about 2 months after the gruelling win over Nunn. compare that to a guy like Hopkins who was always bitching about his payday, his rights etc. and using that to duck guys, then he fought smaller men who were over the hill and thinks he's something special now, largwly down to such wins. :-( how many guys who fought the bulk of their career at 160-168 do you think could go toe to toe with a big, powerful heavy like Peter and at least hold their own, whilst being in the twilight of their career? Would Hagler or Monzon have? Could Jones have? Hopkins? Don't make me laugh. Toney is the last true throwback fighter.
Absolutely, when you fight the best, you leave yourself open for defeat. Look at guys like Oscar and Mosley. They could have opted for padded records like some *cough* Mayweather *cough* but chose to fight the best competition they could.
With Toney, I have a hard time comparing him to other greats. You know damned well Toney isn't getting knocked out, he can be out worked, but at lighter weights he could also knock people out. Crafty as hell, just lacked speed.. Anyone willing to fight him on the inside would lose. I think Toney may be the best inside fighter to ever step into the ring at 160. Says a whole lot about the guy.
definitely a great fighter. not greater than hopkins though. :yep too many lost years and close decisions in his prime for that.
but despite those lost years he's still got a better list of opponents that Hopkins. as for the decisions, which ones? You can counter any of that by saying he got robbed twice against Griffin and once agaisnt Peter.