Tonight ITV1 10:30: The Fight of their Lives documentary

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  1. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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  2. dftaylor

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    Reg Gutteridge made mention of it - saying it was an odd things and he didn't recall seeing him do it in previous fights.
     
  3. ryanm8655

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    I mean in the Julian Jackson fight.
     
  4. ryanm8655

    ryanm8655 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not really.

    At the time it looked like he was quitting, but the guy now has severe brain damage. That was taking effect during the fight yet he still nearly put Benn away and tried to fight on, despite this.

    That's the complete opposite of quitting.

    The guy was too tough for his own good.
     
  5. dftaylor

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    Oh right, sorry! I don't think anyone mentioned it in the commentary of his previous fights.

    Blinking doesn't mean anything anyway - anyone can twitch when they're nervous. The alarming sign was him pushing the gumshield out - no one should have ignored that!
     
  6. Going down on one knee and allowing the ref to count to ten is quitting.

    We now know that he had very good reason to do so, but he quit the fight all the same. The commentators were describing the action at the time of seeing it and they called it correctly.
     
  7. pathmanc1986

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    wrong


    spoke to a doc you deals with people who are recovering from brain injuries in car crashes. its blinking for clarity, and its deep blinks
     
  8. dftaylor

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    I’ve always felt people get too wound up about quitting. If I’m the one getting my face caned in and I know I can’t win, I’d say it’s pretty smart to survive another day.

    There was nothing wrong with what Watt or the Colonel said. They were responding to the drama that was unfolding. No one knew what was wrong with McClellan at that stage – it’s only in hindsight people can make these comments.

    Watt was absolutely right, he can’t (and shouldn’t) apologise for what was said in the thrill of the moment.
     
  9. dftaylor

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    I’m not wrong, you spastic. Blinking ON ITS OWN means nothing. You can blink for hundreds of reasons. Here are five:

    the glove makes contact with the eye and scratches it
    the tissue gets damaged
    an eyelash is forced in
    a nerve is caught
    you have an allergy

    Blinking is not, in any way, a major sign of brain damage. It is a general symptom but, in isolation, it was no indication of what was happening to McClellan unless you’ve got a crystal ball in that doctor’s bag.
     
  10. mcguirpa

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    I didn't think the documentary was that good. Aside from his bat**** crazy coach it was nothing I hadn't heard before.

    What always strikes me though is the animosity from McClellan's sister. If it had been Benn in the coma how much sympathy would either Gerald or his sister have given him? Absolutely **** all is my guess. They wouldn't have give a ****.
     
  11. ryanm8655

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    Not in the context of what was happening to his brain it isn't...

    He didn't quit, his brain was severely swollen and he had a blood clot, imagine what he must've been feeling in his head at that time. An immeasurable amount of pain I imagine, his head was ****ed, he had to go down...

    I agree the commentators were right to think he quit at the time, but with hindsight the guy was warrior...
     
  12. dftaylor

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    No, the guy was confused and in a huge amount of distress. With a blood clot and a lack of oxygen he wasn't fit to be making his own decisions.
     
  13. SkillspayBills

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    People tend to forget he was fighting for maybe 4-5 rounds with impaired vision IIRC he couldn't see well because obviously things were troubling him what DFTaylor said.

    I don't think any fighter who's in a war like that should be called a quitter, even when it's in heat of moment. What likes of Cintron and i'm sure you guys can name some more examples is quitting. Stopping in middle of a 'dog fight' knowing you have nothing left and feel like you may die isn't quitting. Please no one try bring up the quote he made before fight about being prepared to die. Fighters say a lot of things, they say it for hype and for psychological reasons plus no fighter really knows until there in that situation whether there willing to die in the ring.
     
  14. pathmanc1986

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    listen you ****ing know it all, i spoke to a doctor who told me this. you really dont what youre talking about. Its a particular manner of blinking, in this context you ****wit. Bringing up examples of some **** with a ****ing fly in his eye is childish and smacks of you needing the last word. eyelash pfft....stop being a wanker
     
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