Tony Ayala 'I Never Sparred With Pipino Cuevas'

If people are quoted to disprove it then you need to be able to reproduce those quotes.

Making such things up is actually pretty serious in a number of ways.

I think most people on here are like myself, they dont know, or care whether it happened, but to lie in order to debunk is actually as bad or worse.

It is a practice Pepe has continued despite being caught red handed more than once now.

 

No, it would be like you quoting Cuevas, Ayala, and two unnamed reporters stating it didnt happen and yet cant reproduce where those quotes alledgedly came from.

You fabricated quotes by those people to bolster your own argument. Laughable.

Its sad and pathetic that you want something to be disproven so bad that you would fabricate quotes to prove it was unproven.

Why not just say "theres no proof it ever happened" and be done with it? Why actually lie and shoot your credibility in the foot again?

 

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what I'm saying is the effort to disprove is needless because the onus is on those saying he did school cuevas to back it up.

For instance you call Pepe a liar, it's on you to prove he's a liar, not on him to prove he's innocent.

 

No, what Pepe does is use a concocted quote to summarize "the truth" about a person and a particular subject as if that person were to "tell it as it truly happened". It's a literary device. Anyone with an ounce of gray matter understands that Pepe is not "quoting" something Tony Ayala truly said, nor does he intend it to be taken that way.

Lord Tywin isn't intelligent or educated enough to even follow Pepe on these threads, least of all actually debate him. I had to do it for Tywin on the Ali-Miteff thread.

 

You dont use literary devices to illustrate factual historical accounts.

With that being said, now that Pepe is thoroughly back tracking, did you Pepe, or did you not state categorically that Cuevas said it never happened, and that two newspapers which you named researched it and it never happened. Or was that now a "literary device" as well. Did you or did you not quote from an interview, giving the interviewers name even, that according to you was unpublished which you discovered?

Literary device my ass. You got busted lying once again and some sycophant has given a feeble "out" to save face. I doubt most here are dumb enough to fall for it.

Luf: Im not trying to prove or disprove anything. I dont care about the sparring session. But what I dont like is a guy who comes on here where a lot of historians I respect post, and starts making garbage up in order to either stir the pot, or revise history to suit his own twisted agenda. So if a guy comes on here himself trying to disprove something by posting fiction its absolutely legitimate to attack that fiction for what it is.

 

attack whatever if you want if it makes you feel better, doesn't really relate to what I'm saying which is thus:

if you make a claim, ensure you can back it up. those claiming ayala beat up cuevas have yet to do so and the onus is on them.

 

Luf: if thats the case then you shouldnt have any issue with anything im saying because im not arguing that it did or didnt happen.

Really you and i are in agreement. If pepe claims to have these interviews and articles (which now we know he doesnt) then you better be prepared to back it up.

 

Pepe' my man, you have been EXPOSED.

Read the above: first-person account, in quotation marks, from the point of view of Tony Ayala.

You've been asked and pressed to provide a link to where the quotation comes from. You have failed and then fell back on a 'literary device.' Making up quotations that never were spoken is not a literary device, it's pure and simple fabrication and deception.

If I write: Sonny Liston said, "I threw both of the Ali fights. I was paid by the mob and paid well. I took a dive." Well, if Sonny didn't ever say that then I have must made up a lie. Much like what you did in this thread and, it seems, many others.

It doesn't matter if Ayala and Cuevas ever sparred, it doesn't matter what got mentioned or not mentioned in interviews on television -- what matters is you completely fabricated a quotation and attributed it to Ayala.

Just admit it. You made it up. Just like Ayala's father probably made up the sparring session. Which means you two have something in common.

Either provide a link or just admit he never said it. One or the other. Man up.

 

Link or GTFO

You have backpedaled like a Mike Tyson sparring partner. You start with an alleged (made up, obviously) quotation and then it's "so and so interviewed so and so and it was never mentioned." What does that matter? It doesn't matter if there are a million interviews where it was never mentioned, what matters is you provided a quote and obviously made it up because you can't provide a link to where it came from.

Where was the quotation "after he was incarcerated" published? When? Where's the link?

There's not one because you fabricated it, just like Papa Ayala probably fabricated the sparring session.