Tony Ayala vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr. at 154

Except for the fact I don't believe 'boxing to be fencing':huh

Anyway, Rooster still waiting on your scorecards for all the Gavilan-graham fights you have seen, odd as only one of them was filmed:think

 

I was there and I don't think he would be an alltime great. He was SERIOUSLY hurt by Maldanado and if had been a good fighter he would have been ko'd in 1. He NEVER fought a puncher and made his name off a bogus sparring session w/ Cuevas (which NOONE has ever shown to be true) and a lot of talk. He didn't fight Duran (this one is not his fault, he would have been beat down hard though, thus causing him to go on a **** spree) Hearns or Benitez. And he didn't want to fight them except what he thought was a washed up Duran. The wideopen Ayala,against Hearns is a quick 1 rd. ko for the Hitman. Saying he is better than Czyz and Ramos isn't saying much. Czyz was ran out of the middleweight division to softer confines in the pathetic supermids and drained ltheavies and Ramos was a joke. I was going to fights all over the easdt coast and midwest in those days and the opinion was that Ayala had potential but like most Duva fighters of the time, fought the setups and nonpunching notverytalented contenders. I think Moore would have blasted him out and exposed him for what he was. The best thing that ever happened to Ayala was going to prison to preserve his myth. And BTW, if Epps is the best you got, you're in a world of trouble when talking boxing CLASSICS and classic performances. Anybody can say what could have happened. I can say that if he hadn't died, Sanchez would have bulked up and beat Hagler by ko. But you have to deal in what is and what is does not support the Ayala fantasy. I think somewhere OLD Lou Duva sits at a computor making up these posts and defending his pathetic collections of Tomorrow's Chumps from that era.

 

The above is the view I go for.

 

The blind leading the blind.

 

:good

 

Ayala has a slim chance against Mayweather, even though it's his weight.And at least Alex Ramos won the USBA championship.

 

The people who say Ayala wasn't destined for greatness remind me of a lot of those scientists who are trying to prove that the Tyrannosaurus Rex was merely a scavenger. :nut

Floyd would've been the duck bill(a TyRex favorite) here. A case of a fast little man attempting to overtake the big strong man on his own turf, ie weight division.

 

There's no way Floyd could hurt Tony. This is like Carpentier-Dempsey, same kind of fight where the connesseurs thought Georges' skill would tame the rushes of Dempsey and turn him into a bumbling fool

Did I say Dempsey Carpentier? I meant Tyson-Spinks

he's just a very small man going up against a man with a large frame and the added weight will only slow him down. I dont see what chance Floyd has. He sure wont be able to box safely to a points win with Tony pounding him at every turn

Honestly, I can see Tony ending this with a couple of good body shots

 

Right, away from this hypothetical match-up, but just at the point underlined in bold.

Why are you such an expert on how Ayala would've ended up? How do you know that he was as good as you say he is? Because jusging by the footage he was nothing special at all.

Hypothetical matchups of course are pure speculation, but you getting antsy because other people don't believe that Ayala was as good as you say is ridiculous.

He doesn't look that good.

he didn't end up that good.

End of story. It's hardly Ike Ibeabuchi levels of not fulfilling his potential as Ayala hadn't even proved himself against someone of Byrd or Tuas level.

The big white guy he beat the **** out of looked hapless to be perfectly honest, and then it took a number of power shots to put him away.

 

Me getting antsy? You are projecting your own characteristics onto me. I have no problem with different opinions, you on the other hand do. How are you such an expert on how Ayala would've ended up? How do you know he wouldn't have been a champion?

You don't think he looked good? Your opinion, fine. But the right one, like you make yours sound? Hardly.

End of story.

 

Wholeheartedly agree.

And if memory serves correct, wasn't there something involving Hard Rock Green--another duva fighter back then--and Ayala? That guy back in his prime would've been by far the best fighter Ayala had ever fought & a live underdog at the least.

Boxing sure is a funny sport though. Folks get sold on potential and always have. Careers very very seldom turn out to be the same as that glossy potential earned against 3rd tier fighters and they face a steady diet of guys without a history of being ko'd and a history of losing.

 

Well the truth is he ended up as nothing. His skillset doesn't match up well with 'elite' fighters IMO

 

Remember back in '82 when the articles in KO were calling Rosario the next Duran?:hat

 

And more recently when Linares was being hyped

 

Exactly! The Ayalaites live on what they wish had happened and not on what did or didn't. I wish Sanchez had never died by car acc. But he did and now any fight after the fact is fantasy. Just as the land the Ayalaites live in. They can travel w/ Baltazar in "The Neverending Story".:blurp