Tony Bellew: "DRUG CHEATS should be JAILED for LIFE"

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  1. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    ... "if they kill another man in the ring".

    He also went on to say that anyone who fails a drug test should be banned for life, no ifs, no buts!

    He was being asked if boxing was too soft on drug cheats, with the likes of Povetkin and Ortiz failing multiple tests but just getting a slap on the wrist.

    They start talking about PEDs at 34min30secs in this podcast:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05whhnz

    Of course, this isn't the first time Tony Bellew has been outspoken about drugs in boxing, here he is last October:

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    You tell 'em Tony!
     
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  2. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    I agree to an extent. Given the physical nature of this sport being out right brutality, some pain medicines should be given a pass for fighters. Nothing that improves your wind, strength, or speed should be allowed.
     
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  3. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    Clickbait title, which has the meaning almost completely changed reading the rest of the quote.
    Still it's very controversial as even coldblooded murder doesn't even have life inprisonment in most countries.

    The title suggests that everyone ever caught on peds should have been locked up for life though, which of course is quite insane.
     
  4. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    Yeah, I'd agree with that, as long as they are closely monitored and they're not being abused throughout training camps to help aid recovery times.

    Another thing that needs looking at is the 'therapeutic use exemptions' (TUEs). If the Olympics scandal has shown us anything, it is that a lot more top athletes than previously thought are LEGALLY being prescribed performance enhancing drugs for phantom ailments from their doctor. I find it strange that all these world class athletes seem to be suffering from asthma, heart defects, ADHD and all the rest of it...

    Who knows how bad the problem is in boxing, but there should be no exemptions, you fight with the tools god gave you, and if you really do have a heart defect or asthma then you have to make a choice... either the sport or the drugs... you can't have both!
     
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  5. JeremyCorbyn

    JeremyCorbyn Active Member Full Member

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    I'd throw them in jail for fraud. Maybe not for life, but I'd give them something. And make them repay every penny they have ever earned, and distribute it back to all the competitors they have cheated out of future career earnings.
     
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  6. Devon Dog

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    The problem is there are different levels of drug offences . There is an issue with Chris Frome at the moment where traces of his asthma drug were found . He should be OK as his governing body is aware that he is taking this medication . Some people on this forum take it as instructed by their doctor .
    Dilliam Whytes ban involve over the counter sport supplements You can get this in some supermarkets and people on here use it legally
    We than have Lance Armstrong who was part of a masterminded fraud and doping scam over 15 years This deserves a long term in Jail
    Where do you draw the line
     
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    I do agree cheats should get much harsher punishment as nowadays they get away with a slap on the wrist, sometimes not even that, and their fans act like nothing ever happened or they even somehow wronged him in some cases.

    That's why I hate the former top boxer who we know was juiced to the brim vs current top boxer threads, to make fun and/or belittle current boxers. Oldtime cheats still get put on a pedestal, while they should be ignored.
     
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  8. JeremyCorbyn

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    I'm not too familiar with the Chris Frome case, but certainly someone like Bradley Wiggins, who was taking medication for asthma just before he competed, and this medication should only be used if you are having the most severe asthma attack. And it is the same substance that other athletes have been banned for. Clearly, in my view, him and his team found a legal way of abusing the rules with the help of a doctor's note.

    With sport supplements, I think athletes have to be extra vigilant, maybe the companies who manufacture these supplements should be able to apply to have their product approved by a drug's agency, and any sportsmen who takes unapproved supplements will have no excuses.

    I would really allow for very, very few exemptions. Maybe just for pain relief for boxers as another poster mentioned earlier, as long as it isn't abused.
     
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  9. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    long term jail, really?

    he deserves to have to pay back what he got, hand over titles and be fined plus all the reasonable abuse he received ...but ...hes never committed a crime which holds up in criminal court.
     
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  10. like a boss

    like a boss Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Intentionally misleading title that's for sure. But factoring in the entirety of what Bellew is saying I tend to agree with him.
     
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  11. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    corticosteroids such as the triam that Swiggins used are for use BEFORE attacks, they are useless during...outside of providing a "psychological" safe feeling.

    That said, it is almost obvious that Sky and Swig abused them, true. This clown needs deknighting as much as I am a keyboard Olympian.
     
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  12. JeremyCorbyn

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    The guy who cheated on "Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?" (the UK version), he was convicted of fraud, can't remember if he did any jail time, or just got a suspended sentence, but either way, if a man can be convicted for cheating in a gameshow, where no one really got hurt, no careers were ruined, why can't the same be true in sports where you are literally taking other people's livelihoods away from them?

    If it can't legally be done, then the laws should be changed.
     
  13. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    I dunno. Jail should be reserved for criminals, personally thats my feeling. Armstrong did a LOT of good in his time too, though thats not giving him a free pass, mind you, for being a personal burk.

    Charles Ingram of Millionaire infamy is really a professional fraudster who aimed to high. I wonder why he left the Army.
     
  14. pincai

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    "Cheated on your wife or girlfriend, you should have your thang amputated."
    .. Tony Bellew
     
  15. JeremyCorbyn

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    I'm not excusing what Charles Ingram did, but he only cheated on one night, it was more opportunistic than a plan laid out weeks beforehand. Of course he should face the legal consequences, but a sportsman who has cheated their entire career is just as much a professional fraudster in my book, in fact they are worse! Puzzles me why there seems to be a legal distinction here, where one person can be charged for fraud but the sportsman never is.

    I agree Lance Armstrong did a lot of good for charity, and I think the judge should take this into consideration when handing him his sentence!