Tony Bellew should agree to a rematch

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  1. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    You dont know if it was a fight ending injury. There has been no confirmation that he ruptured his achilles. In fact he was released from hospital this morning and they said no surgery was required.

    If it was a rupture he would be going under the knife. The fact is he was moving around fine for 5-6 rounds. You are the one that needs to watch the fight again. He was not limping around until the mid rounds

    You still haven't acknowledged the fact that bellew went into the fight with a damaged knee and then broke his hand. But that doesn't fit into your ''david the hero'' story
     
  2. destruction

    destruction Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    In his Prime Haye beat World HW champion WBA holder Valuev. Valuev is 7 foot 2.

    He was competitive against Wlad Klitschko and was nowhere near shut out or blown away in a 12 round UD loss.

    Haye before he became physically shot was able to hang with the bigger guys at HW
     
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  3. hap

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    Surprised at how wreckless Haye was in the first round. Everything was lunging with zero set up, completely telegraphed. So much so that I was half expecting Bellew to counter big and end it with a shock.

    What was more surprising was the way it played out up until the injury. Haye progessively slowing/tiring didn't look like it was on the cards, he was actually in ascension when the injury came, he looked to have found his rhythm.

    If you remove the injury from the equation, we have an interesting fight on our hands. A fighter who managed to survive for 5 rounds without a base to move and attack from, is not a fighter on the verge of gassing.

    I find it quite shocking that a rematch clause wasn't written into the contract, Haye was dictating the terms.

    In the end this is a crazy outcome. Haye's been dogged with abuse over the Klitschko toe injury for years... to see him laying on the ropes, round after round, fighting for his life when the fight should have ended between round 6 and 7, is one of the most equally sad and brave things I've seen in 30 years of watching the sport.

    I'm not trying to overshadow what Bellew achieved, he showed spades of grit himself and the way he embraced Haye at the end when he could have so easily kept the grudge alive really showed the character of the man.

    It was strange watching Thurman and Garcia afterwards, a masterclass of skill from Thurman yet not an inch of the drama from earlier in the evening.

    A rematch is not only warranted but it might now be a bigger fight financially than if Haye had gotten his original wish of fighting Joshua. Can you imagine if Wlad chins AJ? What a twist of fate that would be.

    Life isn't a movie, Haye's always been an athlete over technician and if he cant achieve the kind of form required to fuel that style without picking up an injury then who knows what happens from here. I wish them both luck though, last night was one for the ages.
     
  4. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Haye is a decent physical actor if that injury wasnt real, he was rendered completely ineffective, it looked real enough in the fight with him flopping all over the place and not being able to set himself. I am not trying to fit an agenda to Make Haye out as the hero. I just dont like the fact that Bellew's team are ignoring the injury like it didnt play a part. as for Bellew's own injuries, they obviously didnt incapacitate him in the same way Haye's did, credit due to him but he was still able to fight, Haye wasnt.

    In terms of Haye's earlier rounds, no Haye didnt get Bellew out of there and thats where I give Tony tremendous credit. But on the flip side, Haye was starting to find his rhythm a bit until the injury, which changed the fight. Thats the key point, it changed the fight. He may have taken over, or Tony may have out toughed him, its a question. thus a rematch is needed in an ideal world, if Haye is able to.
     
  5. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    Well there is a question mark over the extent of the injury. People are peddling as if it is fact that he ruptured his achilles when if that was the case he wouldn't be able to sit on the leg at all and would require surgery.

    There is a possibility that he overplayed it, we don't know.

    The fact is haye shouldn't have let it reach the point where the injury became a factor. You can argue he aggravated it by swinging wildly and lunging during the beginning stages of the fight.

    I see no reason why Bellew has to downplay his own victory after the way he was written off by the majority in this country as if he had no right to be in the same ring as Haye and that his chin wouldn't hold up against his punches.

    Not to mention having to deal with this animal telling all and sundry how he intends to do serious damage and end his career and regardless of the millions bellew earned from the fight, he would be incapacitate physically to the point where he wouldn't be able to enjoy it.

    Bellew's family had to listen to all of that, with the situations of Blackwell and Towell still fresh in their minds. It was truly disgusting and that is why I do not have any sympathy for Haye and believe he deserves little credit. Especially considering he has gone on record to state that no matter what happens in the fight, be it one arm, or one leg there is no way bellew could beat him.

    Karma played it's role, as haye got finally recieved his comeuppance for all the years of making a mockery of the sport, pulling out of fights, overplaying small injuries and putting up ppvs that should have been broadcasted on normal terrestrial television not to mention the training with the sole intention to deliver brain damage on his opponent.

    Anyone who defends this ape, should be ashamed of themselves for promoting scum.
     
  6. kasabian19

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    Lmao at anyone who thinks the injury didn't have a HUGE impact on the fight. Haye couldn't walk/move properly let alone throw any meaningful punches for five rounds. He was basically confined to staying motionless against the ropes, taking way more shots than he usually would and throwing weak arm punches for 15 minutes.

    I doubt there'd be much interest in a rematch, but I think it's only fair that it happens.
     
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  7. Twentyman

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    Can't believe some posters. Bellew won the 1st, 2nd & 5th rounds imo. That was with a broken hand and a ropey knee.

    You will never ever give Bellew credit for whatever reason I don't quite understand...it might be cos where he's from, his accent, because he's not ripped with muscle definition, because he's not some one punch knockout artist, because he's honest and his voice grates you, maybe stylistically he's not your cup of tea...

    Fact is, he went out there last night with almost everyone believing he was gonna get smashed. Yet he was never intimidated, dancing to Haye's entrance music. He out boxed Haye, made him miss an awful lot and even traded with Haye toe to toe and took his best.

    He did what he said he was going to do. He executed his plan perfectly. And to top it off, he showed humility at the end.

    Well done, Bomber.
     
  8. I Shot JR

    I Shot JR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bellew needs to work out if he wants to face a tough mandatory for his cruiserweight belt, fight for a heavyweight belt or rematch Haye. Out of those I'd say the most lucrative is the latter two, with a rematch with Haye being incredibly lucrative if a belt is on the line in late 2017.

    As for Haye I doubt he gets back in there with Bellew immediately if he carries on- he'd want to fight someone relatively straightforward but known. Someone like Price/Whyte/Allen may fit the bill as crazy as it sounds.
     
  9. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Its not about what an idiot Haye was in the pre fight its about what happened in the actual fight and not letting personal feelings get in the way. I am not a Haye apologist, it about facts and what happened. saying Haye made it worse or overplayed it just doesnt ring true, because he was still desperately trying to land that punch to end it. so the quit mentality of setting up excuses wasn't on his mind, he was still in "i can still win this" mode, he knew Bellew was still beatable. you dotn fall out of a boxing ring to overplay an injury, get real.
     
  10. rski

    rski Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bellew will get massive credit, but he wont get credit for beating an uninjured Haye, because it didnt happen. Haye was injured, its frustrating but its a fact, it changed the fight. This deosnt mean Tony gets no credit though, he lasted the course, he took punches, he was mentally unbelievable in there. but haye was injured! a rematch is needed to wipe away all doubts.
     
  11. Erik

    Erik Well-Known Member Full Member

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    lol Haye wasn't injured. The whole thing was a set up. Well done mugs for buying that garbage. I'm sure Hearn, Haye and Bellew are having a good laugh at you ******s this morning.
     
  12. Astaxanthin

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    Bellew says he was told about Haye's injury before the fight in his post fight interview:

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  13. Legend X

    Legend X Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Are people really so deluded as to think David Haye will ever be "healthy" again ?
    How washed-up and injury-ravaged does this always-overrated fighter have to be before people accept that he's got nothing left to offer ?
     
  14. Octolony shore

    Octolony shore Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Whats all the fuss about, bellew destroyed the best ever haye. That is what he said anyway.
     
  15. yesihavearm2

    yesihavearm2 ESB Chinchecker Full Member

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    I don't think we will see Haye again, achilles injuries take an eternity to heal.
     
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