Tony Bellew V Nathan Cleverly

Let's have these fights now!

**** waiting!

 

Indeed, I hate big domestic fights not happening but this has plenty of time to mature and both are with FW so no need to panic.

Gotta be a proper world title on the line for this one, will be a better fight than De Gale v Groves imo which will prob be messy and awkward - like you said the styles are perfectly matched for fireworks in this one.

2 Proper British fighters who come to fight.

 

:dealExactly. Make it happen now and if it makes sense again 5 years down the line, make it happen again. There's no rule that says if they fight now they won't be able to do it again in 5 years. Would you rather our prospects face Latvian dudes who are 10-45-3 than God forbid, actually take a risk against another prospect? If someone loses it's not the end of the world. At this stage they are young enough to change things around and improve. Let's seperate the best from the rest. No one has a divine right to become world class and there is no guarantee that both will be at the same level as each other in 2 years, or 5 years or whatever.

 

My take on this is the following :

Why put two of our young up and coming potential world champions in together now !!! , when we havent even seen a half of what they may be capable of , why not wait , let them mature and at least confirm there potential and earn a world title between them or maybe each and then let them go at it , i for one do not wanna see 2 raw talents try and take each others heads off in an ego scarap when i know 3 years down the line these men could be seasoned world champions both 25 & 0 and both putting on a better spectacle :deal

Any time soon i dont think we'll be seeing Bellew or Cleverley fighting Latvians with losing records either , but if we do for some ****ed up reason im with you , **** the learning process !!!!

 

I see your point - but not every fight is a Leonard vs Hearns I (the example I always use) that can be deferred.

There was plenty of opposition to face in the lead up - Leonard had the Duran rematch and Hearns was belting everyone else around... the fight was made.

In this one - the division domestically is empty.... Dilks is down at 168, Jeffries is having a 'mare, and even higher up the division is gash too, with old men hanging around and a big fight between Dawson and Pascal coming up.

Realistically there aren't many more options for either of them, especially if Cleverly loses his fight against Murat.

To be fair to Warren he's willing to put people in there, certainly more so than the other Frank :deal

 

To see which is the best right now. If they are both as good as we think they are, then the loser of the fight should still be able to come back from that loss and still go on to win a world title. If not, it simply means he wasn't good enough and we found that out . Our best prospects facing each other does two things.

1. It let's us know who is the best of the bunch at this moment which as a fan of the sport is what I want to know (this can change in the future and it would be fascinating to see if they fought again in 5 years who has gone forwards and who has gone backwards)

2. It prepares them for if and when they step up to world class level. Look at how many heavyweight prospects we've got. If Chisora, Price, Fury, Sexton etc face each other rather than journeymen, they will have had 100 times better preperation. If you want to succeed at world level (not pick up a belt but to be known as an elite fighter) you need to have some intense battles at domestic level to prepare you IMO.

I just think there are so many belts these days that yes, we can have more than one British world champ in the same weight class but while this might make British boxing look good to those who don't know any better, it doesn't really prepare them properly or mean much. Really there can only be one true champ, despite all the belts, and if you want a British boxer to hold that position, you need to find out who the best in Britain is first, and like I said, if he's had tough domestic competition, he's more likely to succeed at world level.

 

Clev on points IMO, in a couple of years it could be anyones guess.

 

They are not the be all and end all of boxing apart from the fact these 2 fights happened at completley different levels.:good

 

I simply think Clev would be too seasoned for Bellew at this point in there careers although i can understand anyone thinking otherwise, quite a hard fight to call.

 

Really, i thought a draw would be:!:

 

This is how i see the fight Clev jab and move hold inside and try and steel it on points but you can gaurantee when Bomber connects its lights out for Mr Cleverly :happy

 

bomber for me ppl mainly talk about his power but he is a very skillful boxer very conditioned and dedicated good speed and defence he has all the tools to go very far

 

The wait for Bellew to knock Cleverly feels as long as the wait for Bradley to school Alexander. :!:

 

yes?

 

A bit of a throw back statement that mate , i understand what your saying , but there are 5 recognised " world titles " , including the Ring belt , in some cases yes , the belt means **** all but in others due to promotional differences , the timing of making fights etc etc sometimes it doesnt , hence we now have unification fights !!!!

I hear your points as i have heard others , me personally id like to see Bellew and Cleverley fight for a world title and not before , and preferably a unification , hut hey now i sound picky , there both still babies and both of them are gonna be on the world stage at some point and as we may have all suggested possibly world champions , i just dont feel the need to rush the fight , thats just my opinion , if i was FW i would be targeting this as maybe a late December showdown in 2011 .

I think the point you make of intense competition is actually a very good one , if Clev and Bellew are not being tested without facing the best fighters in the world , then the fight makes sense , and what i mean by that , is putting them in with decent competition but keeping them away from the big players for now !!!!

Either way its gonna happen , and will probably happen more than once , and im just happy to sit and let them blossom before i go screaming from the roof tops that British boxing is a disgrace , and this fight has to happen now , **** waiting etc etc etc ..................