Tony Canzoneri - where do you rate him ?

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  1. Sonny's jab

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    Among the all-time greats where does he stand ?

    (Pound-for-pound, or in any of the relevant weight classes.)
     
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I have him one below Monzon, one above Ketchel, just inside the 25 (#25) all time, pound for pound. I'm happy with that, as happy as I get when ranking a fighter I don't know inside out.

    Where do you have him Sonny?

    EDIT: When did I start calling you "Sonny" like that is your frigging name?
     
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  5. McGrain

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    High, high.
     
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  6. Manassa

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    And rightly so.
     
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  7. Smith

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    Im just getting through my personal list right now of a top 50, and although it is not finito I have him roughly 33rd/34th right now. I'll get the list up when Im done, but everything is sketchy right now. Ive intentionally not looked at others top 50's/100's until mines is done. Tony may move up or down.
     
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  8. Sonny's jab

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    I dont have a list. But I think he'd definitely be on a pound-for-pound top 30 if I did one. Perhaps even top 20.

    He's one of my favourites. I've seen a little bit of footage of him (v.Ross, v.Berg) and he impresses me. He's got an attractive style.

    Would you rate him top 5 in any particular weight division ?

    Folk call me that round here.
     
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  9. Dempsey1238

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    Top ten pretty easy imo.
    He has fought over 19 or so Hofer's and has won most of them.

    Had classic wars with Ross, McLarin, and Dundee. He has a stronger resume than Ali or even Benny Leonard imo.
    Just looking at his record, and you see hofers after hofers on there.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    I've heard you say this before. I think you sercretly want one. :D

    Go on, have a go.


    No. I don't think I would actually. Lightweight would be the one and I don't think he makes it...Does he appear on any of old-timer all time lists?
     
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  11. Sonny's jab

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    Good points. He might well be worthy of a place in the top 10 on closer inspection. He's so often overlooked these days.

    How about in the specific weight divisions ? Where do you think he should place at lightweight, for example ?
     
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  12. Sonny's jab

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    Problem is, there are loads of fight films out there I haven't got. Knowing I'm ignorant about some of those fighters makes it difficult to write a list I find convincing.

    I think so. I think I've read he was rated around 6 or 7 by Nat.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Here's the thing - it's never final. Mine is evolving all the time. I'm up to 55 that i'm pretty happy with now.




    Well that's kind of my point - you asked about top 5's? I would see him in the mix for a top 10 spot at Lightweight, unquestionably.
     
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  14. Sonny's jab

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    True enough. I'll endeavour to begin working on one.
    :good

    Yeah, that sounds fair.
    I think top 10 at lightweight. Probably somewhere between 15 and 30 on a pound-for-pound list. But that's open to revision, of course.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    That would be the range. I personally would tighten it up to 17-28 based upon what I have.
     
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