Tony Mundine vs. Tony Sibson

He's talking about the other Tony in the thread, whom you prolly haven't even noticed. Granted he got mixed up with Anthony and the big mouth. A slight misread. Tony actually boxed 96 times, you're only counting his wins with a figure of 80. Surprise, surprise.

96 fights
80 wins with 64 by KO
15 losses with a whopping 10 by KO

If you think Fenech didn't get the better of Nelson in fight 1 i want a pound of what you are on.

If you want to go by what you read well fenech was drugged as a dog in fight 2 among numerous other things. Or does it just go one way?

Well Coffee was considered the next big thing at Bantam in America, as was the 84 Gold medalist McCrory and the Flea was going well too. McCrory won the title afterwards as did Richardson. Funny that hey? And what of Zaragoza's superb record post Fenech? Funny you don't mention him

Villasana and Martinez are other fine wins.

Well many were probably barely born hey? Lets turn this around and sink your boat. Why don't you ask them about Tony's wins? I'll bet any money they will name more of Fenech opponents than Tony's :good

Well aren't you the dickhead. Fancy thinking the Classic Forum, of all places, would not have such knowledge and would also show such group bias. You fool

What is starting to really strike me is how much you hate Fenech. This has completely turned into a bash Fenech and his achievements crusade, and i know exactly why :yep

Too little too late sorry.

 

Not much talk about Sibson in this thread.

 

Well now's your big chance

:good

 

Not an easy one to pick, Mundine was a very decent fighter but I think Sibson on form hits hard enough to put Mundine away.

 

:good

 

Sibbo is now 9 words stronger. I do agree he'd outlast Mundine tho TM has a punchers chance.

 

in cases of glass jaws. i prefer to think that they are just suscepitble to a punch but not meanign they will get starched just knocked down. for example everytime terry norris name is mentioned in a mythical match up he gets koed in the first by anyone...

personally i think sibson would of got out boxed and out punched to about round 6 when he gets inside of a tiring mundine and goes to work. by round 10 mundine has been bullied and bruised. sibbo tko's late while pinned to the ropes.



but from memory wasnt sibbo sparked by olajide or somone Edit: don lee i was thinking of.

 

Don lee was a huge one-punch banger, on the Mugabi level.a talented guy, who seemed to waste his career with inactivity...he was a shadow of the fighter that fought Sibson when he went up against Olajide and Watson.

HTat's actually a pretty great fight between him and Sibbo.Sibson seemed the more talented and better boxer-puncher, but Lee's huge power and long straight shots coming from a massive height and reach advantage were able to pull it out for him.

also, while glass chin may have been the cliched and lazy term to apply, i don't think Mundine had a reliable jaw in the slightest.Very good skills and excellent power, but as John said not the stamina or chin to take things to the next level in a tough weightclass.

 

wow i got a reply it's an esb first for me (your talking to yourself tage:blood)
ehmn anyways


yeah my grandad was a big boxing fan and lee was one of his fav americans. massive puncher and decent set of skills. the sibson-lee fight was a big fight in the U.K. sibbo was thought to be a number 1 contender and almost champion in waiting when hagler was near to retiring, what can i say us brits love a loser/non-winner. then lee came along with that awkward aggresive southpaw style.

yeah i agree that lee suffered from inactivity but i think he was th eone who went by the adage of "if in doubt...do nout" he should of got a title shot somwhere along the lines. how highly in the rankings was he regard? ive always guessed he was about 7 and up before the olajide fight.




about the subjects of chins.
i try to talk subjectivly about them. true mundine had a dodgy beard and his stamina after the mid rounds was rather poor for world level...but you could say that it came part in parcel. stamina and a dodgy defence is a clearly not gonna help your case, what makles you not continue is that you a so tired that you cant continue. but it's hard to tell if it is you being gassed or you getting stunned, like bruno he was hurt alo fo times but seemed to just not be able to get his hands up. sambu getting sparked by nunn:think yet if this fight never came off. and sombody on esb said nunn ko1 sambu typical response would be along the lines of :nut, ,:rofl ,:yep ,:roll: .


i dunno i prefer to take chinnyness out of the equasion and can the fighter make the final bell. and to me sobson would of made him work to much for the points, and mundine from the footage i've seen of mundine he just seems to box too well and get caught by somthing stupid and then covers up and will gas, run out of steam and momentum. sibson may be small but is a very effective technician. and made alot of people work to get to him. once mundine is hurt by a counter right sibson is all over him.

and going back to to the don lee-sibson fight (yep this is post is goign back and fourth like a tennis match) sibson clearly was worried becuase of that cut (rightly so) and went at lee. even tho he was doign a pretty good job against a tall rangy guy like don.


good perforamcne by both to be honest.

 

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QR820bSBEYo&feature=related

There it is.

It really shows how weak the middlrweight division is right now imo.Guys like Pavlik being hyped ridiculously after only one or two good wins.

 

I was trained by the champion of champion's master trainer CHARLIE GERGEN who trained TONY MUNDINE SNR and he told me that TONY had it in his mind that the black american fighter's were better fighter's cause TONY good take a punch look at his fight with MATE PARLOV what a fight the reeson TONY lost that fight he had a woman the night before.

 

Definitely more evidence to suggest Tony couldnt take a shot all that well.

He was iced by welterweights at his best weight.

I wouldnt exactly consider Parlov the biggest puncher anyway..

For the most part his overall game was solid, world class and he is certainly one of our best ever. So in comparison his chin is probably made to look quite bad because it did betray him several times over his career...

 

Mundine Snr also has a GREAT boxers chance.

 

I'm not going to compare or critisize Mundine Snr or Fenech - both were Aussie champions.

Not all fighters had heads like bricks - there were exceptions of course - Duran for instance probably should have been called Head of Stone not Hands of Stone.

Usually the punch that you don't see, delivered accurately to the target, results in lights, great champions included. Mundine got caught less often than some and more often than others.

History shows Mundine was a champion winning an absolute truck-load of Aussie & Commonwealth titles, at various weights. He probably would have won a world title but for Monzon, who lost 3 of his 100 fights (all early career losses) and absolutely owned the middleweight title in Mundine's era.

In the current era of alphabet world titles Mundine would surely have won at least one.

 

Yes, I agree with that, Sibson too. Peak Sibson was in the time of undisputed champ Hagler.