Tony Perez on Ali-Frazier II

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  1. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That sounds like a pretty reasonable analysis/assesment to me, Tony. Cheers!
     
  2. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Should Frazier of wasted a massive amount of energy trying to wrestle away from every clinch when it's the refeeres responsibility?
     
  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, he shouldn't really. But he did far more so in FOTC and Manilla, and Perez seemed to have interpreted his relative passivity in the clinches in their second fight as him being content to lay there and take a rest.
     
  4. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    He was in his absolute peak condition during the FOTC, he was going to be able to do it more effectively there. To wrestle AND box with Ali.

    Neither man, especially Frazier, was the same afterwards.
     
  5. My dinner with Conteh

    My dinner with Conteh Tending Bepi Ros' grave again Full Member

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    But Ali was able to climb to the top of the mountain again despite this.
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    Tons of heavyweights slipped punches better than Ali did against Norton III, Young and Shavers. He was nothing special at that point; a good contender with close or even clear losses going his way.
     
  7. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Tony Perez was in the ring, he's a professional referee. He knows a hell of a lot more than me or anybody else here so what he says is bible as far as I'm concerned.
     
  8. Addie

    Addie Myung Woo Yuh! Full Member

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    Ali was a good contender at that point. I hope you're joking.

    Even after his prime, which was before exile ladies and gentleman, Ali was still the man at Heavyweight. Those questionable decisions, they were all close fights with the possible exception of Norton III.

    Prime Holmes had more trouble with Shavers than Past it Ali did.
     
  9. yancey

    yancey Active Member Full Member

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    Your last sentence sums it up pretty well.

    Frazier was going to be fortunate to get a close decision in his second fight with Ali, too much was at stake. I recall thinking that before the fight that night.

    As to that bit of business about the delay in getting the judge's scoring and Dunphy's reaction, if anybody cares to elaborate, I would appreciate it.

    I know there was some surprise that night among some of the sportswriters at ringside that night. I think Red Smith had Frazier winning.

    p.s. the decision in Ali-Norton III pretty much took the cake. :yep