Tony Tucker vs Rocky Marciano

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  1. mcvey

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    The night Marciano fought Buonvino at Braves Field in Boston proved to be a surreal experience for all involved, because the fight took place amid a steady drizzle, under poor lighting, and within a ring that was antique and dilapidated. "I'll never forget that night," a bemused Marciano would say two years later. "It was raining and they put the fight on early. And what a ring. It was really small and tilted. I felt like I was fighting uphill all night."

    Arthur Siegel of the Boston Traveler was unimpressed by Marciano's tenth-round TKO victory. He wrote that the heavyweight field must be "a stinker" if Marciano was a leading contender, because the Brockton heavyweight was nothing more than "a good club fighter."
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  2. mcvey

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    These guys were journeymen!
     
  3. Gazelle Punch

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    I understand what some writer wrote but especially a young and up and coming fighter could be carrying fighters. And I know in Marciano’s case he would be trying new things in the ring and didn’t want to end some fights to early. Not saying that’s the case here or the other one but he generally didn’t struggle within his fights and against the best completion he generally dominated except the first Walcott fights which he was blind and over trained for. Moore fight he got knocked down but generally speaking didn’t have much issue with him after that.
     
  4. Gazelle Punch

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    If you were to go back and read what they wrote about Ali (which I know you already know) you would see reporters are t generally good historical references. Especially when talking fighters of the past. I don’t think they thought Ali would have been able to compete with most of the past champions.
     
  5. Gazelle Punch

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    On e again context is everything and you can’t see what the fight looked like because no film exists! There are fights that they printed Ali or Frazier or whomever struggled with. You watch the fight and they didn’t look like they struggled much. So who knows really.
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

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    Also Marciano had almost zero amateur experience (12 fights?). I’d say he gets a bit of a growing curve. If we were to dig up Ali Holmes Frazier or most of these other guys amateur records they all had a lot more then 33 fights. And all of them struggled with journeymen or less at some point
     
  7. mcvey

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    Marciano didn't look any different against Cokkell and Moore than he did against Louis. Sam Silverman, who promoted lots of his fights said Rocky would look just as bad against top guys as 3rd raters.
    You could give Marciano a 100 fights he wouldn't have been any more polished or skilled,he was what he was.
     
  8. mcvey

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    Marciano never carried a fighter in his life.That is one thing we can be absolutley certain of,he began to try in one fight against a no hoper got hit on the nose and promptly bombed his opponent out,Colombo said," what happened ,I thought you were going to get some rounds in,?"Rocky replied I tried but I couldnt do it. "
    So throw that excuse away ! Ive asked for a source that says he was overtrained for the first Walcott fight ,you said it twice now.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Straws clutching!
     
  10. mcvey

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    I posted next day reports not years later reminiscences!
    Show me a report that gives a similar verdict on Ali against a third rater?
     
  11. Gazelle Punch

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    You want to dig through Marciano literature and find the quotes or videos be my guess . This isn’t a court room and the onus isn’t on me to dig through research for ylou. A quick look at his weight Is probably all you’d need though. He felt best at 188 and he was below that. As far as your other assumptions you never accepted the fact that Ali Holmes and plenty of others were ridiculed during their day after many fights. They were thought poorly ranked amongst the greats. They were wrong at the time as is your ridiculous articles based on fights from a novice we never saw. You sir are grasping. Not to mention the fights you bring up he knocked the damn guys out lol
     
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  12. mcvey

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    No, when you make a statement and get called on the veracity of it the onus is entirely on you to prove it!
    I've got 4 Marciano bios, none say he was overtrained for Walcott.
    You've got Jack **** and are now getting annoyed because you've been called on it!

    I didn't write those articles, fight reporters sitting ringside wrote them.You label them ridiculous because they don't jive with your irrational hero worship. if they had said he looked great, you would have accepted them with open arms! Double standard hypocrisy of the first order!
    Now you've got the hump because you've been bested all ends up!
     
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  14. mcvey

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    The Bottom Line is quite simple to see ,you made a statement, that Marciano was over trained for the first Walcott fight,you did this without a single shed of evidence or proof to support it. I asked you for that proof and you promptly threw a hissy fit, and you did so because you haven't got any!
    When you get home from work dig into your "several books," and get back to me.Until then grow up a bit!
     
  15. Gazelle Punch

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    You’re changing the subject because you have NOtHiNG! Marcianos figvt w Walcott has nothing to do with the convo. You made comments that Marciano should be discredited for having a bad fight or two to journeymen thag he knocked out. I challenged you to find me these perfect fighters thag never had a bad outing. Now prove your case or eat crow and stop deflecting
     


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