Tony Tucker vs Rocky Marciano

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think .
    1. Ali came back to the corner said cut them off and Dundee ignored him end off discussion.
    2.Marciano's ability to slip the jab is vastly overated , he aignored hime them for breakfast from a slow old Louis.
    3.Lastarza didn't really deserve his shot 2 fights earlier he had been beaten by a lhvy journeyman and floored in the rematch
    4.Charles had won 2 of his previous 4 fights.
     
  2. mcvey

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    Can we point out that Ali was 20 years old having his 17th fight when he fought Doug Jones.
    That he was 21 having his 18th fight when he fought Cooper.
    That his fights with Norton when he was mid 30's were post 3.5 years of exile.
    That he was 10lbs above his best weight when he fought Wepner.
    That he was 34 and 18lbs above his best weight when he fought Young.
    That the fights Marciano struggled in were against 3rd rate no hopers,whereas Ali's opponents were top ten ranked.
    That Marciano was having his 27th fight against Buonvino,his 29 th against Lowry,his 32nd against Henri, and his 33rd against Applegate.


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    27th fight Williams
    28th fight Folley
    32nd fight Frazier
    33rd fight Ellis
     
  3. Gazelle Punch

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    That’s not really fair in regards to Charles 2. He was dominating that fight till his nose was cut off an elbow. You should be giving him credit for getting a stoppage when he needed it.
    Lastarza 2 Marciano didn’t look to be struggling to me. Did he win every round? No. But how many fighters win every round against great competition? I know u like poo pooing on Lastarza but he was a good fighter.
    He was blind for a lot of the first Walcott fight and over trained (was also probably the only fight he was nervous for)second went rather well (no he didn’t quit he got knocked out possibly misheard the count).
    There are no fighters without blemishes on their record. They do not exist. You also bring up fights that were said he struggled with and possibly he did but there is no videotape to see the extent of thag struggle. Ali fought the best competition ever to me there is no comparing records in that regard. Although I def laughed out loud at you thinking Marciano goes down in 6...still laughing actually.
     
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    Idk what fight you watched but Louis jab was far from slow. His right hand was almost non existent but his jab was functioning fine.
     
  5. mcvey

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    I do give him credit,that doesnt mean he wasnt in danger of losing the fight!

    This is struggling;
    Life magazine reported: "Trying to knock the challenger out with one punch, the 29-year-old Marciano was over-eager and awkward. He lunged, butted, hit below the belt, on the break and after the bell. Once, he swung so wildly that he missed and slipped clumsily to the canvas. Outboxing the champion and avoiding his blows, LaStarza managed to win four of the first six rounds."
    Ive never read that Marciano overtrained for the Walcott fight, where is your source?
     
  6. Gazelle Punch

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    Yeah he def was. Wasn’t based off performance though but a freak cut based off an elbow not a punch.
     
  7. mcvey

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    This was a bruising, crowd-pleasing battle. Marciano won handily enough but failed to even knock down his opponent, who had fought only twice in the previous two years. Applegate's best round was the third, which the referee also took from Marciano because of a low punch. Red landed plenty of good punches, typically in the early parts of rounds, but Marciano almost always came back later to take the play away. Marciano's best round was the sixth. The attendance was 4167 and the gross gate was $7,6l6
     
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    Art Henri 13-15-1
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    Henri frequently outfought Marciano with left hooks in the first three rounds, and landed four nifty uppercuts at close range in round three. Marciano hurt him with a two-handed attack in the fourth round and Art did not land much after that, although defending himself cleverly. The fight became one-sided and uninteresting. Marciano dropped Henri for two nine-counts in the ninth and the referee stopped it. Marciano was slow, sluggish, and cumbersome, and made one of his poorest showings. Attendance was 4386 and the gross gate was $8285.
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    Marciano distorts the face of Simmons
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    201 lbs by TKO at 2:54 in round 8 of 10

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    • Location: Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA
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    , Russell Sullivan wrote: "Marciano was in trouble early before winning—and not before drawing some boos from the Providence crowd for hurling a few low blows."
     
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    The night Marciano fought Buonvino at Braves Field in Boston proved to be a surreal experience for all involved, because the fight took place amid a steady drizzle, under poor lighting, and within a ring that was antique and dilapidated. "I'll never forget that night," a bemused Marciano would say two years later. "It was raining and they put the fight on early. And what a ring. It was really small and tilted. I felt like I was fighting uphill all night."

    Arthur Siegel of the Boston Traveler was unimpressed by Marciano's tenth-round TKO victory. He wrote that the heavyweight field must be "a stinker" if Marciano was a leading contender, because the Brockton heavyweight was nothing more than "a good club fighter."
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  11. mcvey

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    These guys were journeymen!
     
  12. Gazelle Punch

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    I understand what some writer wrote but especially a young and up and coming fighter could be carrying fighters. And I know in Marciano’s case he would be trying new things in the ring and didn’t want to end some fights to early. Not saying that’s the case here or the other one but he generally didn’t struggle within his fights and against the best completion he generally dominated except the first Walcott fights which he was blind and over trained for. Moore fight he got knocked down but generally speaking didn’t have much issue with him after that.
     
  13. Gazelle Punch

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    If you were to go back and read what they wrote about Ali (which I know you already know) you would see reporters are t generally good historical references. Especially when talking fighters of the past. I don’t think they thought Ali would have been able to compete with most of the past champions.
     
  14. Gazelle Punch

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    On e again context is everything and you can’t see what the fight looked like because no film exists! There are fights that they printed Ali or Frazier or whomever struggled with. You watch the fight and they didn’t look like they struggled much. So who knows really.
     
  15. Gazelle Punch

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    Also Marciano had almost zero amateur experience (12 fights?). I’d say he gets a bit of a growing curve. If we were to dig up Ali Holmes Frazier or most of these other guys amateur records they all had a lot more then 33 fights. And all of them struggled with journeymen or less at some point
     


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