Tony Zale vs the Fab 4

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Zale vs
    Hagler
    Hearns
    Duran and
    Sugar Ray Leonard
     
  2. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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  3. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    O-4, his best shots of winning would be Duran by points if he (Duran) was having a lackadaisical fight. Or the shot out the blue on Hearns . But more than likely he gets destroyed by all 4.
     
  4. Birmingham

    Birmingham Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Is'nt Zale tough as **** though ??? Surely he does well against all 4 ?? Or have I been reading about someone else all these years
     
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  5. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I don't see him winning. But he keeps it competitive and goes the distance. Few of these could actually be real barn burners. If Hagler and Duran decide to stand and trade then were looking at two excellent fights. I expect Leonard and Hearns to box him
     
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  6. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Destroyed? That's a bit harsh on the man of steel.
     
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  7. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Maybe he gets a decision over Duran ,catching him on his bad day.Hagler stops him in 6 .Hearns gets invoked in a war with him and kos him in 5 .Leonard stop's him later ,around 10 .
     
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  8. DJN16

    DJN16 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    All 4 probably leave the fight victorious..... Yet definitely leave the fight full of respect for the man of Steel!
     
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  9. Flash24

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    Never said he wasn't physically a tough man. Have all the respect in the world for his heart. But against ATG's doing what they did best. He wouldnt stand a chance. No disrespect to Zale. But Tex Cobb was as physically tough as the come. But in 15rds with Holmes it was plain too see he didn't belong in the ring with Holmes in the 1st minutes of that fight. Holmes beat the hell out of Cobb. He "destroyed " him. Even though he didnt physically knock him out. But if "destroy" is to strong a word. I'll say they would beat the hell out of him. Just for sake of the argument purpose.
     
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Hagler was too good and a natural middleweight with an incredible chin .. Don't overate Duran at 160 .. he lost to Robbie Simms .. the best Duran at 160 is pickem .. he'd be a very tough fight for Leonard or Hearns at 160 ..
     
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  11. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was surprised to see that Zale was smaller in stature than I thought he was.
    He & Duran would be similar in size, with Hagler a little bigger. Against Hearns it would
    be "see Cuevas / Duran fights".

    Tony Zale:
    67 18 2
    45 KOs 5 KOs
    status
    inactive
    birth name Anthony Florian Zaleski
    alias Man of Steel
    born 1913-05-29
    nationality USA
    death date 1997-03-20 / age 83
    debut 1934-06-11
    division middleweight
    stance orthodox
    This content is protected

    residence Chicago, Illinois, USA
    birth place Gary, Indiana, USA
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    Zale would give a great account of himself. The war robbed him of some prime years and i am envisioning pre-war Zale. I think he'd give Hagler a great fight. SRL might outslick him but i'm dubious if it's 15 rounds. Zale's body attack was ferocious. He'd outfight Duran at 160 imo and be a big chance of stopping my man Tommy.
     
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  13. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boxing’s Greatest Weapons Vol. 1: Tony Zale’s Body Attack
    From "Ringside Report dot com"
    By Ian Murphy

    Long before former Middleweight Champion Mike McCallum was known as the “Body Snatcher”, there was the great Tony “Man of Steel” Zale. He was a real life Rocky Balboa, a working class slugger who’s body attack was so ferocious that Bert Sugar once said (in reference to Zale’s third fight with Rocky Graziano) “he finished Graziano with a body shot up to his elbow”. This was a man that Sugar Ray Robinson was leery of fighting. Clear examples of his organ busting body blows were in Zale’s thrilling trilogy of championship bouts with NYC Bad Boy Rocky Graziano.

    Example 1: Zale vs Graziano 1, September 1946

    Following World War Two, an inactive, 33 year old Tony Zale was matched up with exciting young brawler Rocky Graziano in defense of his Middleweight crown. He was a heavy underdog, as the swashbuckling and swaggering Graziano had been on a streak of KO’s against top middleweights. At first, a surprised Graziano got caught with a big left in the first round and was dropped. An angry Rocky then erupted and opened fire on the “Man of Steel” over the next 4 rounds, and by the end of the fifth stanza, Zale was ready to fall. Then suddenly in the sixth round, Zale dug deep and embedded his right hand under Graziano’s heart and dropped the Rock, who arose on shaky legs. Tony then finished a hurt Graziano with another big left hook. This is the danger of getting overconfident against a fighter who really knows how to go to the body. One hard shot to a vulnerable spot and the fight just gets beaten out of you. Zale would lose his title to Graziano a year later in a similar fashion, as the Rock was on the brink of defeat and KO’d the “Man of Steel” in 6 rounds. However, it was the third fight of this trilogy that best illustrates the vicious, will sapping body attack of Tony Zale…

    Example 2: Zale vs Graziano 3, June 1948

    In this rubber match, the now 35 year old Zale was once again a heavy underdog. This fight, unlike the others was not nearly as closely contested as the other two. Zale dominated from the start, putting the Rock down early in the first round, feinting a straight to the body and coming over the top with a leaping left hook, a clear precursor to Joe Frazier’s big left that felled Muhammad Ali 25 years later. Graziano showed his huge heart and got up, but was hurt and on the defensive. Zale then stalked his prey around the ring, countering Graziano’s pawing jab by slipping outside and burying a right shovel hooks to the body, bringing Rocky’s hands down to protect himself low. Anytime Graziano’s hands moved up to reset, Zale’s right hand was slamming into his body. Zale was setting up these rights by double jabbing and backing up Graziano so he had both the range and momentum to land his debilitating body shots. Graziano made an attempt to comeback in the second round, rocking Zale with his “Sunday Punch” (big right to the head), but the round ended with both men on their feet.

    In the third round of this classic match, the ‘Man of Steel” really showed how a master body puncher can use this underutilized skill to finish an opponent. Zale again stalked a weary Graziano and continued to set him up for a big finish with rights to the body and lefts to the head. Midway through the round, a wobbled Graziano was met with Zale’s patented right to the body/left hook to the head. This combo landed flush and the Rock was out before he hit the canvas. Graziano’s heart and will to continue was nearly as incredible as Zale’s body attack was, but in the end, the Man of Steel cracked the Rock as much with his right hand hammer to the body as the left hook finisher.
     
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  14. JohnThomas1

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    I'm not ignoring your PM Longy it has somehow arrived to me without a reply option.
     
  15. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    ok. My fault.