too many ATGs?

Yes I do...it should be reserved for the best of the best..not just any half decent fighter who is popular at the time.

I wouldnt consider Kenny an ATG. I think a pretty good for measure for an ATG is top 10 alltime in their respective division. But then you have to take into account weight jumpers like Manny and Hoya.

Personally I try to reserve it for guys in my top 50 alltime...with a couple of exceptions that are just outside of it.

 

Great is the most over used word on this forum.

 

I think it is given out to easily. A guy has a few good wins like Cotto and people are already saying he is ATG. A guy should not be considered an ATG until near the end of his career. Especially in this era of so many titles.

 

Foreman's power was ATG power, but without that he would not have been close to ATG or many even champion. He could match up well with anyone in ATG because of his power, although he beat Norton and Frazier, he lost to Ali and Holyfield and Morrison.

 

Norton was a very good fighter but definitly not a ATG. IMO an ATG is top 100 pfp.

As for Mag i think Foreman was definitly an atg:yep Cotto nope:nono

 

ATG should be top 100.

If you do not call barrera and morales ATG( top 75-90), i think your nuts.

 

Norton is not even borderline ATG. The Klits, after they retire maybe in the borderline bracket

Borderline ATG should be reserved for guys like wright, Tszyu, toney, pedroza and others

 

You're an idiot.

 

then who is ?
foreman was the most powerfull heavyweight in history. a one man destruction factory. i think on almost everyones list (being it h2h or based on resume) he is a top ten heavyweight. so why shouldn't he be an ATG ?

 

There is no such thing as an all-time Great. By default I feel there should be no more than 30-ish Great fighters, so as to keep the accolade very special.

So this means there has to be constant revaluation, and as such it is almost impossible that there will ever be an all-time great.

Even those with different standards, must accept that this planet is possibly going to last for another 2-3-4 billion years. So are fighters even as great as Robinson or Ali still going to be remembered as great for all that time period? Highly unlikely IMO.

 

Log off, ****-for-brains. I was willing to let questioning Foreman pass, since I probably over-rate him by ESB Classic standards; but Frazier not an ATG? atsch

Wins over near-prime Ali, Quarry, Bonavena, Ellis, Foster, Chuvalo - basically everybody who was anybody at the time. Held the belt for near a dozen bouts when the belt was difficult to come by. Good H2H potential. It's a no-brainer.

 

Doubt the human race will last that long. If it does, we'll have robots fighting for us...