Too many HoF-ers and ATGs

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  1. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The main news pages says that Tarver will get a shot of the HoF.

    I think most of us accept that the HoF kets people in who probably don't deserve to be there. But loads of boxers talk nonsense about 'legacy' and being remembered as an ATG etc.

    For my money, only five boxers who fought - with at least part of their prime being in - the past past decade should be remembered as ATGs: Jones jr, Lewis, BHop, Mayweather and Pac.

    Picking a few others at random: Morales, Barrera, Toney, ODLH, Trinidad, JM Marquez, Calzaghe. Wonderful fighters, warriors and great technicians. But the five above were able to adjust and dominate, awe and inspire.

    Do we want too many fighters to be remembered as ATGs and lose all sense of perspective? I think so. And we end up forgetting that some fighters - say even Hatton - should be praised for having what are simply excellent careers. There's no shame in not being an ATG.
     
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  2. PattyG

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    I like Taver but no way is he a HOFER not even close IMO
     
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  3. str1

    str1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You have mayweather as an ATG! :patsch And ODLH didn't dominate, inspire? Sure he does have a few loses under his belt but always fought the best out there and wasn't cherry picking, well atleast until after his Hopkins fight. Trinidad below mayweather? Another that fought the best without cherrypicking and I can go on and on. As for your other 4 ATG's I totally agree!
     
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  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its the hall of FAME.
    Tarver will and should get in. Just as Braddock and Willard got in.

    If we had a hall of ATG's. Than sure, he wont make it.
     
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  5. Club Fighter

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    All time greats are few and far between. The thing about an all time great is that in his prime he can conceivably match up with anybody throughout the course of history at his particular weight class and have a realistic shot at winning. These are guys that brought it to the table year in and year out and regardless of whether or not they were able to adjust, they were able to win or for the most part remain competitive. Now, of course, even an all time great may have had an underwhelming performance or two but by and large he did what he did better than damn near everybody else doing it.

    It's tough to name the ATGs but Lennox is definitely up there, RJJ is up there, Hopkins, Floyd, Pacquiao, possibly even Marquez and Mosley*. . . by the time his career ends Williams will be. Mark my words.

    *Mosley is one of those guys where it's real tough to judge. He let Vernon Forrest beat the pants off of him and carried Mayorga to the last second of the 12th . . . but then again he annihilated Margarito and absolutely terrorized the lightweight division.

    sidenote: ODLH is my sentimental pick.
     
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  6. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sorry, I should explain: it's the talk of ATGs and greatness that is starting to bug me. I wish fighters would get on with their jobs and simply enjoy having excellent careers rather than harping on about greatness. In a way, I suppose it feels like winning titles, unifying and defending them is becoming undervalued.

    ODLH did inspire, that's fair enough. Dominate? Less sure about that one.

    PBF's a great, great fighter. I struggle to see an argument against that one. tosser doesn't equal sh*t fighter.
     
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  7. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :goodThis is a much better way of putting across the point I was trying to make.
     
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  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Once again people fail to understand the criteria for being in the hall of fame. Its not hard to get into, there are fighters currently in the HOF who have precisely 1 world title with 1 defence of that title. Any chump can get in the HOF.
     
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  9. Mookhound

    Mookhound Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Forgetting the fact that there is no actual criteria (remember there are question marks over Hamed getting into the HoF, which strikes me as ridiculous given the precedents that have been set) other than being so many years retired, I'm not arguing about the HoF specifically. it's all this talk of greatness. It has become pervasive in boxing and it's getting ridiculous.
     
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  10. eliqueiros

    eliqueiros Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First off, Mayweather didn't inspire or bring awe in anyone. Oscar and Tito did. Mayweather never dominated an old Oscar and if he dominates so now he does so because he ran from his competition. Oscar struggled a bit more but fought the other greats his whole career. So therefore the domination issue is ridiculous. Mayweather's comp are the equal to Oscar's sparring partners.
     
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  11. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    The criteria is in the name, my friend.
     
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  12. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Quality :good
     
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  13. Zavy

    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    Co-sign...His victory over Jones is about like Buster's over Tyson. He lost to all the other big fighters he faced...Johnson(tho he did get him back, Dawson, and Hopkins) His big wins other then Jones is ****ing Montel Griffin, Eric Harding, and Clinton Woods.:-(
     
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  14. Zavy

    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    :patsch
     
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  15. Zavy

    Zavy A fan among experts Full Member

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    He hasn't inspired awe??? Where the hell have you been since 1996? He has been a name since the Olympics, and an undefeated champion. Granted, he was more exciting at his lower weights, but even in moving up he's been fun to watch. You dudes are nuts!
     
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