Top 10 Asian Boxers Today!

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  1. slapbangwhallop

    slapbangwhallop The Sweet Scientist Full Member

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    That is the point I was making and the reason I was asking the question.

    Both born in Birmingham with both parents being Irish - but only one holds an Irish passport and considers themselves Irish and the other doesnt. Which is fair enough with be to be honest.
     
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  2. punch13

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    Base on what you said, Base upon what you said, Floyd is of African ancestry, but not considered an African boxer, because he was not born in Africa. Analagously, Khan is of Asian ancestry, but should not be considered an Asian boxer, because he was not born in Asia. This is more of a nationalistic definition of what is African or Asian, but not an ethnic definition. For example, if a caucasian Frenchman were to be born in Asia, he would be considered an Asian national, but still a European ethnic. American is a nationalistic term, and not an ethnic term unless of course you consider the Native Americans as an ethnic American group (as well as a nationalistic group). When I was writing my list, I was basing it more on ethnic definitions rather than nationalistic definitions; a person whose ancestoral homeland is from Asia. This is why I included Amir Khan.
     
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  3. Liston3

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  4. crimson

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    The problem with this debate is that often people have their own ideas what defines ethnicity, race and nationality. While often they are not wrong they contradict others own judgment.

    So it is pointless to argue what is Khan's ethnicity when you can't even agree on the terms.

    So I suggest you re-ask the question with more accurate parameters. Or give your answers with an explanation.


    - I love how Europe claims the 'good' part of Russia as European and dump the rest of the ice as Asians. A politically loaded answer.

    You missed my point. I am NOT saying Indonesia are "Pacific Islander" (which is a rather obtuse term to begin with) but I am saying that Filipinos do have Pacific Islander influence in their ethnic make up.
     
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  5. punch13

    punch13 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    <<Originally Posted by slapbangwhallop
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    I certainly dont need to be lectured on the differentiation between the concepts of nationality, citizenship and ethnicity.

    The point I am making is that if you are going to make a pound for pound list and then use all three concepts as the criteria for inclusion then you are going to be on shakey ground.

    If I made a European Top 10 and included Kelly Pavlik would that sound equitable? or what about Floyd Mayweather in the current African Top 10??    >>



    Based on what you said, Floyd is of African ancestry, but not considered an African boxer, because he was not born in Africa. Analagously, Khan is of Asian ancestry, but should not be considered an Asian boxer, because he was not born in Asia. This is more of a nationalistic definition of what is African or Asian, but not an ethnic definition. For example, if a caucasian Frenchman were to be born in Asia, he would be considered an Asian national, but still a European ethnic. American is a nationalistic term, and not an ethnic term unless of course you consider the Native Americans as an ethnic American group (as well as a nationalistic group). When I was writing my list, I was basing it more on ethnic definitions rather than nationalistic definitions; a person whose ancestoral homeland is from Asia. This is why I included Amir Khan.
     
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  6. Knives7

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    I don't know know what they're actual background is but I wouldn't disagree. Mayweather is an African decent is he not?
     
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  7. punch13

    punch13 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Argentina and England are not in Asia, and that's obvious. What I couldn't figure out is whether Maidana, who is of Argentine national, has Asian ancestry. I'm basing my list on one's ethnic background rather than nationalistic affiliation. As mentioned on my previous post, Khan is an English national, but is of Asian ancestry.
     
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  8. slantone

    slantone Ring General Full Member

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    this sir, is correct. In England pommies consider people from the sub-continent to be asian. In Australia- as i have lived in both, the distinguish the difference- and will rarely call someone simply asian, but rather- South east asian, east asian, islander and sub-contininental. I guess because its closer to asia- its more sensitive to differences in geography.

    im not sure if anyone has mentioned him- but Koki Kameda should be up there somewhere.
     
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  9. slantone

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    makes sense- i wouldnt take offense either way to kahn being considered asian. im sure neither would he.
     
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  10. Joser

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    Like I said BY DEFINITION. Check the definition of HISPANIC. I Also mentioned Culturally, not Racially. We are speaking in stereotypical terms here. Like I said, BY DEFINITION.
     
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  11. caneman

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    I agree. Pacific Islanders do have their roots from Asia. Their languages are Indo-Malay based, example below:

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  12. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ok this was a terrible list. For one how do you consider Armenian asian:huh I know plenty of Armenians and have never heard any Armenian refer to themselves as Asian. Also Tua is Pacific Islander, so half your list doesnt even belong on there, Kahn:nono When you say Asian most think of Oriental asians, So Kahn isnt included. I know in England they call them Asians but keep this simple. Also where is Hasegewa:huh Let me make a more accurate list for you. ( oh yeah Maidana is Latino he isnt asian he just has a lot off native indian blood thats where he gets the slanted eyes)

    Top 10 Asian fighters
    1.Manny Pacquiao Phillipines
    2.Nonito Donnaire San Leondro,Ca
    3.Chris John Indonesia
    4.Hosumi Hasegawa Japan
    5.Pongsaklek Wonjonkam Thailand
    6.Toshiaki Nishioka Japan
    7.Poonsawat Kratingdaengym Thailand
    8.Koki Kameda Japan
    9.Takashi Uchiyama japan
    10.Bernabe Concepcion-Gerry Penolosa Phillipines

    In my opinion you can swithch 2-4 any way you want.
     
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  13. caneman

    caneman 100% AllNatural Xylocaine Full Member

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    Title of thread is Top 10 Asian boxers Today, not Top 10 Oriental Boxers Today

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  14. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Half the guys he listed are not even asian.
     
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  15. punch13

    punch13 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hi Anarci, how are you doing? Anyhow, I decided to use the most inclusive definition of the word "Asian". I know it may come as a surprise to include Armenians, and I too thought that way, until I took an Asian-American class in college. My professor included everyone in the whole continent of Asia...as far west as Turkey, Israel, and Lebanon, and as far east as all the islands of the Pacific. We literally studied all those cultures in one quarter.
    I think FIFA soccer defines its regions that way also.
     
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