Top 10 ATG List 168 Super Middleweights (Updated Feb 2020)

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  1. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I havent.
    Debate what I wrote rather than try and pass off with a weak get out comment
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So we go back around in a circle where you are falling into your own comments of name recognition and you using bias opinion over facts.
    No question that Roy was a talented SMW but with this logic so many fighters could be rated the best ever based on a bias opinion of a few fights whilst passing through a weight division. We dont know how Roy would have done at SMW against the other top SMWs of Benn, Eubank and Collins because the fights didnt happen with him being involved

    We are talking best SMW ever. Which is found based on stats, reigns, etc. It cant be debated without you looking bias
    Still have Calzaghe #1 at SMW though #2 with that logic could be debatable imo
    So we go back to what we know and it goes by facts stats and history
     
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  3. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Debatable.

    No discredit at all. I rate Frochs win over Kessler. I think it is Froch best win and think that version of Kessler would have beaten many good SMWs.
    I think you are not understanding the posts at all or looking for a new angle.
    Kessler we know what he was and when he lost to Froch he was faded yet still pushed Froch hard.
    Now I think that version of Kessler would have beaten Sellier but Collins wasnt in a war with Seillier he won in a dominant performance.
    There is no discredit to Froch for scoring that win. Far from it, but Froch didnt beat a slightly less faded version of Kessler coming off a loss
     
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  4. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why are you commenting on me to others. Trying to build a team lol
    I notice how you didnt pass any comment on him though with his mentioning of Froch. Showed how you were looking for a bit of support and tried washing over half of what he wrote lol
     
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  5. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Do you disagree with Eubank being rated so highly based also on stats and performance though?
     
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  6. Noel857

    Noel857 I Am Duran Full Member

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    No way Froch should be higher than Calzaghe
     
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  7. eltirado

    eltirado Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Taking insight from other posters on Roy Jones (H2H bias for obvious reasons)
    1. Andre Ward. G.O.A.T @168
    2. Joe Calzaghe. Impressive 21 WBO Title defenses reign 1998-2007
    3. Sven Ottke. Impressive 21 IBF Title defenses reign 1998-2004
    4. Carl Froch. Fought & Beat every man he faced faced except Andre Ward
    5. Roy Jones Jr. Dominating 44-0 ATG James Toney
    6. Mikkel Kessler 1-1 Carl Froch
    7. Steve Collins. Iron Chin, bigger heart, defeated Benn & Eubank
    8. Nigel Benn. Big heart, loss and draw with Eubank, hurting G Man
    9. Chris Eubank. 1-0-1 on paper with Benn, older times kept on fighting
    10. James Toney | Chong-PalPark
     
  8. Johnny_B

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    RJJ no. 1 by a country mile. Unbeatable in his prime.
     
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  9. Johnny_B

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    True, but Froch was more exciting to watch.
     
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  10. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Never seen anything so ridiculous
     
  11. Bulldog24

    Bulldog24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    1. Eubank Sr
    2. Calzaghe
    3. Benn
    4. Toney
    5. Jones
    6. Ward
    7. Collins
    8. Froch
    9. Liles
    10. Lindell Holmes or G. Rocchigiani

    That's more like it.

    Ottke lost at least 5 or 6 fights clearly.
     
  12. Ducklerr

    Ducklerr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Got dropped by Roy but won the other 35 minutes and 59 seconds of that fight.

    Beat Hopkins 115-112 in my opinion. And B-Hop was coming off back to back wins over Tarver and Winky and would beat Pavlik in his next fight after the loss to Calzaghe. Some of the best wins of his career. Not relevant to the thread anyway as both fights happened at 175.
     
  13. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! booted Full Member

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    Jones won the first two rounds (according to Letterman) and some of the middle rounds were pretty even. Had it maybe something like 116 to 112 for Calzaghe (like Pacquaio vs. Barrera II). But he missed to finish him off in th3 first round.

    I don't think Froch can be in the top 10, as he was clearly worse (in achievements and skills) to Kessler and Benn.
    He could be rather compared with Brewer and Lucas.
     
  14. jaytxxl

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    It baffles me that two guys in the same division in the same era can make 20 defenses and never fight each.. Ottke unified first then retired and Calzaghe unified then beat Kessler for undisputed..
     
  15. yeyo monster

    yeyo monster Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thats wayyyyy better than joe and ottke record combined
     


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