Top 10 ATG List 168 Super Middleweights (Updated Feb 2020)

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  1. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! banned Full Member

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    Are you serious?

    Ottke had Byron Mitchel, Charles Brewer (twice), Mads Larsen, Silvio Branco, Glencoffey Johnson, Thomas Tate (twice), Rudy Markussen, James Butler, Anthony Mundine, Robin Reid, David Starie and Armand Krajnc among others. That are 7 world champions.

    Calzaghe has Mikkel Kessler, Byron Mitchel, Chris Eubanks, Jeff Lacy, Ridchie Woodhall, Charles Brewer, Robin Reid, Mario Veit (twice), Sakio Bika, David Starie, Kabary Salem and Omar Sheika. That are 8 world champions.

    Each of them achieved more than three times as much as Ward, in Super-Middleweight.
     
  2. Loudon

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    I think Benn’s too high.
     
  3. Loudon

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    For me, it’s got to be based on talent as well as resume.

    Collins should never be higher than a guy like James Toney.
     
  4. Bulldog24

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    McClellan fight. Only needed two words. He really showed true greatness. Should've retired after.
     
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  5. Bulldog24

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    Calzaghe showed his mettle against Eubank and Mitchell. But it wasn't Benn against McClellan mettle.
     
  6. Loudon

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    I remember it well. But after watching a few documentaries, I think that there was something seriously wrong with Gerald. Even before they fought.
     
  7. Bulldog24

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    300 Benn bombs to the head won't help, either way.
     
  8. Liquorice

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    Ward is a complete fanny & the beneficiary of years of 'American privilege' within boxing .. he made his name off of Calzaghes sloppy seconds, was clearly on peds, continually used illegal tactics to win fights & never travelled. Calzaghe = the #1 SMW. :)
     
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  9. general zod

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    There is no way that Eubanks can rank no 1 at smw . Calzaghe, Ottke and Ward should be placed above him
    Ottke did get a number of gifts, but so did Eubank. He got at least 3 at smw: Benn , Schwommer and Thornton
    He was also beaten by Collins twice

    Jones ranks too high as well. Outside of Toney he did not do much
     
  10. general zod

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    1. Ward
    2. Ottke
    3. Calzaghe
    4. Collins
    5. Jones
    6. Toney
    7. Froch
    8. Benn
    9. Eubanks
    10. Nunn
     
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  11. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    Ottke didn't get any gift, only his fight against Glencoffey Johnson was close.
     
  12. general zod

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    What about his fight with Reid?
     
  13. Ra's Al-Ghul

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    That dirty cheat ought to have been disqualified three times in that fight and won 2 - 3 rounds.
     
  14. general zod

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    Ottke constantly clinched, played up any slight infraction and led with his head on a number of occasions. The ref always wanted to penalise Reid no matter the circumstances. I believe Reid would of won that fight with a neutral ref and judges
     
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  15. Loudon

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    I’ve watched a lot of fights over the years, but none like that.

    The only thing that comes close was a handicap match from the WWF when I was a kid.
     
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