Top 10 ATG List 168 Super Middleweights

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  1. Serge

    Serge Vampire Slayer/Russian Asset Staff Member

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    You can't play the Toney wasn't weight-drained for Roid but he was when he lost to these *insert names of other fighters who beat him, he won gifts over, or who he looked like crap against* game. Well definitely not on Serge's watch you can't.

    Fact is Toney looked like a giant penguin that had just been revived from being cryogenically frozen for 1000 years against Roid and in 2 of his 4 fights in 1994 prior to facing the glass-jawed savage puncher avoiding juice addict from Pensacola he'd stepped on the scales at 176 and 181½ respectively. And after losing to Roid in November that year he moved up to LHW, never fought at '68 again, and he only ever weighed in below the LHW limit of 175 once for the remainder of his career and even then he was only a pound lighter at 174 for that one.

    You can wax lyrical about Roid's otherworldly speed and athleticism, whilst conveniently ignoring his rampant steroid abuse I might add, and jizz all over your stash of his bathroom selfies for eternity like the grotesque carnival of self-loathing emasculated freaks you all are, but fact is Toney looked as flat as a pancake and totally listless against Roid because he was clearly dead at the weight. Hence why he never fought at that weight ever again.
     
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  2. RingKing75

    RingKing75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That means absolutely NOTHING!!! People really need to stop with The Who beat who so this guy would beat this guy nonsense. Calzaghe isnt beating either of those guys in their prime stop it!
     
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    RingKing75 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your opinion isnt important enough for me to read again.
     
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  4. CST80

    CST80 The Mercurial Mephistophelean Malcontent Staff Member

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    1. Joe Calzaghe
    2. Andre Ward
    3. Roy Jones Jr.
    4. Carl Froch
    5. Mikkel Kessler
    6. Sven Ottke.
    7. Steve Collins
    8. Nigel Benn
    9. Chris Eubank
    10. James Toney
     
  5. Jackman65

    Jackman65 No longer booted! Full Member

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    I always viewed this weight class as an in between weight like Jr MW. Guys who weren’t good enough to beat LH’s and too big to drop to MW, or passing through on their way up to LH or down to MW. CST has a great list but most of those guys made their bones at different weights.
     
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  6. Badbot

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    :lol:
    Please, that comes down to the individual and rarely holds any merit inside the ring. Manny Pacquiao still has all the confidence in the world.
    Rosado is a freaking nutcase. Or do you think he was better when he was undefeated?
    Pascal will still fight anyone and give it his all.
     
  7. kirk

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    'Ability' without proving that ability against top tier opposition is rather meaningless when in ATG level discussions.

    People that disregard accomplishments are basically rating 'who looks the best' against overmatched opponents.

    The problem with that, is that nwar elite fighters can hide plenty of their achilles heels fighting overmatched opposition.

    There have been many fighters that look like superman against second tier fighters, only to be shown their weaknesses against other elite fighters.

    Thats why opposition is so important, it seperates the levels and helps to truly reveal and define fighters.

    Opposition matters so much more then subjective judgement on how 'unbeatable' someone appears.
     
  8. Furey

    Furey EST & REG 2009 Full Member

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    Thanks for replying to me again
     
  9. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Huh? Calzaghe is #4?
    Even lower then Froch?
     
  10. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why would he not beat either of them?
    How does it mean nothing?
    Calzaghe was closer to the end of his career than Jones when he beat him and not as established at lhw either
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I agree it can come down to individual which is why I wrote
    What doesn't come down to individual is that two fighters with an 0 often creates a bigger event.
    Not sure why you are using rosado as an example? He is without being rude a good journeyman. Not the same example.
    Look at how Joshua fought after his first defeat compared to the fighter who went for the ko
    Also you didn't address what I said about hype of 2 fighters having an 0, and that is where it plays a part in having an 0.
    Look at how D Currys career changed from being undefeated p4p #1 and then suffering a loss
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Not sure about that
    I believe
    Toney was at SMW longer than lhw
    And believe that
    Nunn was at SMW longer than lhw
    I think it's where a person's weight is comfortable
     
  13. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What are you basing your rating on?
    I tend to look at resume.
    Don't disagree at all with Calzaghe at #1, as I don't think that could be disputed but how do you have Eubank and Ottke as low?
    Collins arguably has the best singular win at the weight and imo arguably a better SMW resume than many on there

    I would think at a glance 3 time WBC champ beyer would have a greater SMW resume than toney but would guess it to be debatable
     
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  14. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The one and only! Full Member

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    He has also Ward and especially Froch much too high, but Kessler few places. But to have Carl Froch ahead of Mikkel Kessler and Chris Eubanks over Nigel Benn seems really silly.
     
  15. Badbot

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    So having a 0 is mostly relevant in terms of fight night hype?

    Yeah, being undefeated doesn´t mean **** all.

    Like mentioned, some never recover from a loss. While others go on to learn and become better and better(Rosado) A great example is Carl Froch. Was he at his best when he lost to Kessler, or was it post Ward? Because Froch went on a tear after his second loss. Looked better than ever.
     


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