Top 10 Aussie P4P

How does Pac get number 1 spot over Floyd? That doesn't make any sense. He lost to Morales, and then beat him in the rematch coming off a woeful loss to Raheem, in which he showed definite signs of aging as a fighter. He then beat Larios, in a fashion that was less then impressive, and beat an old Barerra in far less convincing fashion then the first time they fought. Floyd has been unifying belts, getting shut out decisions and moving up multiple division in a short space of time to make the big fights, like against Oscar.

 

Great post. Good to see someone who can actually use their own analytical ability and not just rely on the dubious boxing media. I also like to judge on ability, whilst still making both resume and respective performance a large factor also. In doing so, would definitely include Dawson, Kessler and Diaz into my 10 regardless of popular belief. Calzaghe should be higher also as you said, although his sometimes mediocre performances against lessor opponents are his downfall.

 

But just because you have a loss shouldnt make a dif when judging p4p, because you could be fighting p4p #1.

Most as in more than half :good . Hatton didnt definitely win it mate because most:hey people thought it was a very close fight that either fighter could have been given the win on points.

Vazquez' last fight was also a impressive stoppage victory, beating a current top 20 p4p fighter. Where Castillo only just beat a b level fighter before the Hatton fight.

Look mate, we dont agree much but we both are not goin to concede...unless you think im right now :yep

Vazquez KO Cotto/Jaun Diaz/Hatton 1 :nut

 

I agree with you on one thing. That I do not concede that you are right.

 

BTW, do a poll in the general to clarify, but a very large percentage had Hatton winning, similar to Oscar v Floyd. Castillo before the Hatton fight, regardless of his average performance before hand was still p4p top 20 no doubt. Castillo is a future HOF, and a great fighter.

 

Thats a start.

Look mate, im a nice guy, i wont even give u a hard time when Sugar Shane smashes the living **** outta Cotto. :rofl :good

 

Thats not the point we are trying to find.

The point we were talkin about was Vazquez above Hatton in p4p. No point doin a poll, Vazquez would win by a mile because they (general forum) dont give Hatton much credit so it would really help us. How about we check the Ring ranking. Oh there you go Vazquez wins.

 

But i don't agree at all with the Ring rating system. IMO it is quite biased, and their assesment criteria is all wrong. What I am arguing is the criteria you have used, and trying to find a reason as to why you have him placed higher. You said most people thought Collazo was the winner, so I offered to do a poll. I think you would be quite suprised at the result. You said beating a top 20 p4p opponent by stoppage, when Castillo was a top 20 guy, with recent defeats of guys like Casamayor, Diaz and Corrales. Kostya Tszyu was a top 3-4 p4p fighter at the time Hatton beat him by stoppage also. Maussa, Collazo and Urango were all world champions, not just guys CHALLENGING for the belt. Thats the difference IMO.

 

If you do a poll that would be cool, but i cant, dont know how to do them sorry, havent worked it out yet.

 

For me, PfP works entirely differently from Divisional rankings. Within a division, when guys theoretically are fighting for the same title, I value resume much more heavily.

But for PfP, I'm thinking only of where a fighter is at that given point in his career. I don't factor resume at all per se. That's why I might rank one fighter PfP but beneath a non-PfP fighter within his own division.

All that said. ...

1) Floyd Mayweather
2) Chad Dawson
3) Joe Calzaghe
4) Manny Pacquiao
5) Israel Vazquez
6) Ivan Calderon
7) Miguel Cotto
8. Ricky Hatton
9) Juan Diaz
10) Juan Manuel Marquez

 

Good list mate, but gee a lot of people are upping Dawson. Yeah iv seen him, he is good, but p4p #2 already is a little early IMO.

 

Ha ha. I know. It's a leap of faith based on eyeball only, and the fact that he satisfied the heart question when he picked himself up off the mat against Adamek and kicked back hard.

But if I think he can go down to 168 and defeat both Calzaghe and Kessler, plus defeat everyone (most definitely including Hopkins) at 175, I can't very well place him beneath those guys.

 

Your ratings are good, mine would probably differ slightly but you are accurate by your personal opinion and method of scoring p4p which is the important thing. The point I was trying to make, was over criteria. People who put Hopkins up high do so on resume, but put Hatton down low on percieved ability, when on resume he should be higher. IMO the consistency just is not there. That is what the biggest problem with the Ring's ratings are IMO, the fact that it is so damn inconsistent. I wanted some people who put their ratings down to commit to what their criteria was, as I believe a lot of people just run off popular belief as pushed out through the boxing media. Glad to see Dawson so high in your ratings definitely agree. Joe also is another good fighter, and deserving of his spot. Manny is overated by most, so I agree with you there also. I personally think that Cotto is more talented then Vasquez, but obviously it all comes down to personal preference.

 

I heard him say he might go down to 168. Man he would be even harder to beat then.

With a bit of luck to get the fight, he can knock the good eye out of Mundine **** filled head.

 

hahaha... EelsRule would be heartbroken.