Top 10 by Decade - Divisional Ranking Experiment

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  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Just as a quick update, I am bypassing the strawweight division as a standalone episode. The data is all sorted, but the Top 100 is next. Should be rolled out by Tuesday or so, hopefully. Wish I didn't have work this weekend.
     
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    I started crunching the numbers tonight. Should be done by Friday (I hope).

    I do think the decade numbers are proving interesting, and in a sense, I think these final 27 lists have more "merit" than the top 100, if that makes sense.
     
  3. Hannibal Barca

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    I'm curious how the scores would look if you reduce the point value for the later years. If you gave champions in those later years that have more rated divisions a fraction of the value of earlier champions (by basing it on the ratio of average available ranked divisions), it wouldn't unfairly reward the proliferation of divisions that exist today. Think of it as boxing's equivalent of the W.A.R. statistic in baseball and basketball.

    For example in 1938 when there were 8 divisions, Armstrong would get 16 points ( 8 each for the welterweight and lightweight crowns). A modern day boxer like Cotto in 2010 who was rated 3rd in jmw and 4th in ww would get a weighted score due to there being 17 divisions, thus he would get 3.76 points for his jmw ranking (8/17 = .47 divisional ranking value) x 8 (3rd spot in 2010 jmw ranking) = 3.76. Cotto's ww point total for 2010 would be 3.29, and his combined haul for 2010 would be 7.05.
     
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  4. Gudetama

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    Really good point. Love nerdy observations like this (no offense), especially when they're so damn true :)
     
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  5. edward morbius

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    I think that does makes sense because with the vast change in the number of divisions, and the variations over the decades by The Ring in its rating policies, the top 100 list ended up comparing a lot of apples with oranges.

    Sticking within a division and decade should prove more "fair" in a sense.

    I am especially looking forward to how the traditional eight divisions stack up.
     
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  6. edward morbius

    edward morbius Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "W. A. R. statistic in baseball and basketball.

    You must be one of those, what do you them, cybermetricians (if that is the proper term) guys. They are fun to read, agree or disagree with any given theory.

    That to the side, what you advise makes a lot of sense, as fighters over a greater weight range were pushed into the same divisions in the old days.
     
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  7. Rumsfeld

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    I was thinking about something like that, but I was thinking more of the total points available in any given decade (where the ratios would turn out similar, no doubt). For instance, during the 40s and 50s (the only 2 decades where this was true), you have a total of 55 points per year, times 10 years, times 8 weight classes - which is a total of 4,400 points allotted in both the 40s and 50s.

    On the other hand, in the 2000s (the only decade where this is the case), it's multiplies by 17 weight classes instead of 8. So you have a total of 9,350 points to allocate. That's a huge difference.

    Then in the 90s it's closer to the 2000s, in the 80s it's a bit lower still, and in the 70s, 60s, and 30s, it continues trending lower.

    However, I don't think I have the inclination to ever tackle something of the magnitude, and attempting to "even things out" would probably inherently create other issues.
     
  8. Rumsfeld

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    Unfortunately, it will not be done until some time next week.