top 10 fighters between 160 and 175

dont have to when you winning a fight...bernard the legend did better against joe than kessler did many people including myself thought he won...thats more than can be said for the viking warrior

 

Many people including yourself cannot score a fight then. :good

 

1. calzaghe
2. pavlik
3. dawson
4. tarver
5. abraham
6. kessler
7. bute
8. johnson
9. hopkins
10. froch

 

just because my scorecard wasnt in line with your scoring criteria doesnt means its wrong i could say the same about yours doesnt make either of us any more wrong than one another...i can give you my round by round breakdown if that satisfies you

 

It does not. Hopkins did not land enough and was not in control of the ring in any parts of the fight.

He did nowhere near enough to win.

 

I counted joe landing 2 clean effective punches the whole fight (one straight left in the 5th one in the 9th) his flurries mean nothing and are not effective and dont score...think about this if a fighter throws a flurry of 4/5 punches and none land on a scoring area if at all he should not score and the other fighter should get credit for defense...defense > ineffective aggression
defense is a criterion ineffective aggression isn't!!

 

1.Calzaghe
2.Pavlik
3.Bhop
4.Abraham
5.Kessler
6.Dawson
7.Taylor
8.Bute
9.Winky(if he ever fights again...)
10.Froch

 

Come on dude, that's absurd.

So in 12 rounds Joe landed only two counting punches? The only way you could possible come up with two is because Hopkins probably (I can believe that) landed 3 counting punches and since you want him to win, Joe has to have landed only 2 punches.

Sure, Hopkins did a negative version of a Ruiz but of course Joe didn't land only 2 punches.

 

1.Calzaghe
2.B HoP
3.KESsler
4.ABRAHAM
5.PAVLICK
6.JT
7.STURM
8.FROCH
9.DAWSON
10.BUTE

 

Keep putting him as low as you want to avoid the fact Joe C is ducking him shamelessly, but you can you cannot fool us the real Knowledgable fan already knows the best fighter between 160-175 is Dawson.

 

why am i seeing winky on some peoples list?:huh

he got a draw at 160 and lose at 175 that makes him 0-1-1 from 160-175

 

:shock: where is Tarver. I don't like the guy but he is leagues above Bute and Froch

 

He got a draw against the undisputed middleweight champion. Better fighter than guys like Abraham, Froch, Inkin, or Bute have ever faced.