Top 10 fighters of last 15 years

Ive no problem with Calzaghe not making anyone`s list TBH, he is a borderline candidate, I strongly disagree with Lewis being ranked higher tho, I admit that.

 

See post 138 & chill the **** out.

 

Neither decision has anything to do with 'dislike' though, both are valid opinions whether you share them or not.

 

I thought you were better than the tired old "hater" bollocks when I don't agree with you. Anything I ever say about Joe Calzaghe, I can back up. I never abuse him or slag him off without foundation. I think he is widely overrated as a fighter and I disagree with his career-strategizing, but these opinions are grounded in reality. To think this is not hatred. To call it hatred is infantile.

 

The word I used was `dislike`, not quite as strong as hate.
If you dont dislike Calzaghe, then you certainly come across wrong.

TBH, Ive heard everything you have to say about Calzaghe, you never teach me anything about him that I dont already know myself, I agree with most of the criticisms, its just that I rank him a little higher than you do DESPITE those things, Im not saying the criticisms arent true but I feel he achieved a lot despite not going to USA in his 20s & I rate him higher than you do in pure fighting terms..... thats all.

 

Oscar's biggest fights were Hopkins, Trinidad, Quartey, Mayweather, and Mosley. He lost to 4 of them. He fell short against the best of his era, that is the way I see it.

I just think rationally people could have scored the fights for Trinidad and Mosley, therefore I don't consider them robbery's. Only would I consider them official wins if they were clear cut, such as Whitaker/Chavez. It's a funny one for me.

 

1. RJJ
2. May
3. Pac
4. Lewis
5. MAB
6. ODLH
7. Bhop
8. JC
9. Morales
10. Mosley

 

Fair enough post mate, but for me it is inconceivable that the Oscar-Tito fight could have been scored for Tito. Anyone who gave Tito more than four rounds really needs help.

 

On the last page you implied my opinions on Calzaghe were irrational, and thereby implies hate. Mere dislike does not usually lead to irrational decisions.

Only to children. To anyone else, I criticize him. There is a clear difference between dislike or hate, and criticism. I am a Calzaghe critic and a Calzaghe sceptic. Only an immature fanboy would view that as irrational dislike or hatred.

That is never my intention. I think most of us know pretty much all there is to know about the key fighters of our own era. But I view him critically whereas some don't.

Then how on Earth can you make a post saying I am not capable of objective comment on him if you agree with the majority of it?? :huh

Yes, that is all. Having the guy at number 13 of his era means I rank him above excellent fighters like Tszyu, Castillo, Casamayor and Vasquez. It is purely his resume which prevents a higher placing, and I think many would agree. We rank him slightly differently, so all the bull**** about dislike, hatred, irrationality, whatever, is nonsense. When I make a comment like "Calzaghe is a sheep-shagging ****", call me a hater or say I am incapable of assessing his career.

 

Calzaghe is not a top 10 fighter, he was undefeated for so long based on the lack of quality oppenents he fought. He defended the lame WBO belt from 97-06, fighting the Shieka's and Reids of the world. The funny thing is, these are some of his best names he fought until taking on Lacy in march or april of 06.

I'm sorry, picking off the two best middleweights of your generation well past there primes is the story of Calzaghes career. His resume is just full of hype jobs (Lacy, Kessler, Veit) and wins over greats past their respective primes (Hopkins, Jones, Eubank). In no way does he deserve to be top 10.

 

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:rofl Never gonna happen I'm afraid mate!

 

There is nothing wrong with disliking a fighter, its not like Ive accused you of ****in **** or murder.

I dont think you like Calzaghe, its that simple... I cant stand MAB & I dont give one **** who knows it, he`s comes across as a *****, thats life, its no big deal.

If you say you dont dislike him, fair enough, its just odd that he is criticised more by you than any other poster.... by far.

Anyway, Im done here, our Calzaghe debates are just a never-ending circle.

 

I could write another exhaustive paragraph trying to describe the difference between maintaining a strong and valid criticism, and petty personal dislike, but it seems like the lady is not for turning because I don't agree with her that the weak-resumed one belongs in the top ten of the era. It's true that I do not respect the way Joe Calzaghe and many others I could mention strategized and calculated their every career move, but that is not the sole basis for my opinions on him, not at all. I just don't think the guy was a great fighter based on watching his fights, so when his fans overrate him then I will provide a counter point of view. Hence the point of a boxing forum! :good