Top 10 fighters of last 15 years

True, Mayweather at 9 seemed to catch my eye tho but fair enough, to each their own.

 

Lewis & Trinidad :good

 

1. Pacquiao
2. Jones Jr
3. Mayweather
4. Hopkins
5. Lewis
6. Morales
7. Barrera
8. Mosley
9. Marquez
10. Trinidad

 

wow, you are the definition of a pure hater, you even have to speak about him when somebody doesn't mention him.

 

Nah.

Lewis and Trinidad both have better resumes than Calzaghe. (that is enough in itself tbh)

Lewis was more dominant in his own division than Calzaghe.

Trinidad won more titles in more weight divisions than Calzaghe.

Ability wise, I'd say Lewis was better than Calzaghe despite his occasional complacency, and I find it hard to choose between Trinidad and Calzaghe. Probably the edge goes to Trinidad, because at lightmiddle he was every bit as good as he was at welter, Calzaghe didn't look like he had a punch at all at light-heavy and got dropped twice by two men aged 40+ who haven't floored any other world-class boxers in years (Hopkins's "knockdown" of Tarver was a balance thing, nothing like his and Roy's full-on KD's of granite-chinned Joe). Trinidad was dropped by fighters he shouldn't have been as well I suppose, but he had dynamite in those gloves and usually redressed the balance. He was a quality fighter on his night at his best weights.

 

I totally agree with your list :thumbsup

 

Top line - I take it you must rank Morales & Barrera over Mayweather & RJJ then, interesting :think

2nd line - Does the names McCall & Rahman not ring any bells whatsoever ? :huh

 

Top Line - A better resume is enough when there is no real difference in the ability of the fighters. I don't see much difference between Lewis, Calzaghe and Trinidad. I do see a significant difference between Barrera & Morales compared to Jones & Mayweather. Resume is the single most important factor and often it is the only one, but not always. There are other things to consider too (ability, weight-jumping, dominance in best division etc etc).

2nd Line - Does the names Junior Jones, Vernon Forrest, Freddie Norwood and Chris John mean anything to you? Jones stopped Barrera in MAB's prime, Forrest twice beat Mosley in Shane's prime, and both Norwood and John outpointed Marquez in JMM's prime. And I could not have a top 10 of this era without Barrera, Mosley and Marquez. You yourself rate all three higher than than Joe, because of the list of 11 I gave you, you said you only rated Joe higher than Lewis and Trinidad. Therefore by your own rule, losses when prime do not automatically mean an unbeaten zero-protector is a better fighter. :good

 

Place them where you will.
(In no order)

Oscar De La Hoya
Manny Pacquiao
Erik Morales
Marco Antonio Barrera
Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Shane Mosley
Lennox Lewis
Roy Jones Jr.
Wladamir Klitschko
Bernard Hopkins

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Joe Calzaghe

 

Im confused about why you have typed what you did in your `2nd line`.... I said, does the names Rahman & McCall mean anything to you, referring to what you said about Lewis being more dominant in his division than Calzaghe was in his, that was all.

Ps. I picked out LL & Tito straight away, it doesnt necessarally (spell check) mean they are the only ones I rank under Calzaghe, they 2 just jumped out first.

:good

 

Calzaghe
Jones
Tszyu
Lewis
Guzman
Mayweather
Kessler
Pacman
Hopkins
and any one from the following (Winky, Holyfield, Barrera, Morales)

 

The names Rahman and McCall do mean something to me, they were losses which occurred in an otherwise superb career - just like the names Forrest, Jones, Norwood and John.

Lennox Lewis unified his division by beating Evander Holyfield, and defended the unified title something like eight times.

He lost to McCall, then stopped him in rematch. He lost to Rahman, then stopped him in a rematch. There was no unfinished business there. The guy cleaned out his division and beat more or less every serious contender there was.


Joe Calzaghe held the least prestigious and least rated/valued of the 4 major world title belts for NINE YEARS before he made any attempt to unify. For 9 years, he never touched any of the other belts, so it is impossible to say he was a dominant champion. He was nothing of the sort. He unified by beating Lacy then Kessler, but by then was too near the end of his career to have a dominant reign. He defended the IBF and WBO once, he never defended the WBO and WBC.


Lewis was a more dominant champion in his division and beat better fighters.


PS: I would love to hear an argument for rating Calzaghe higher than any of the other nine!!


Jones, Pacquiao, Hopkins, Mayweather
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Barrera, Morales, De La Hoya, Mosley, Marquez
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Calzaghe (he is closer to guys like Winky, Tszyu, JL Castillo)

 

it should be 10 fighters in 15 years not 15 fighters in 10 years

 

Leaving aside the issue with the wraps, he also fought much better opposition. MUCH better.

 

Some of the guys listed were also dominated or destroyed by other top fighters.

Calzaghe only faced one true legend in his prime, but equally he would never have been dominated in the same manner as Mosley has been, by anyone, ever.