Top 10 Greatest 130lbs. Title Fight Victories Ever?

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  1. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Let's see some lists. I think any of the top 4 could claim the #1 spot. 'Greatest' is kind of an ambiguous thing to rank based on, so I used things like iconic status of the fight (FOTY or round of the year involved), technique displayed, quality of the opponent, etc.

    1.) Floyd Mayweather TKO 10 Diego Corrales
    2.) Gabriel Elorde KO 7 Harold Gomes
    3.) Bobby Chacon W 15 Bazooka Limon
    4.) Azumah Nelson TKO 8 Jeff Fenech
    5.) Marco Antonio Barrera W 12 Erik Morales
    6.) Alexis Arguello TKO 7 Bobby Chacon
    7.) Rocky Lockridge KO 1 Roger Mayweather
    8.) Brian Mitchell W 12 Tony Lopez
    9.) Alexis Arguello TKO 13 Alfredo Escalera
    10.) Julio Cesar Chavez TKO 8 Mario Martinez

    Honorable Mentions: Mayweather TKO 2 Manfredy, Casamayor TKO 6 Corrales, Marquez W 12 Barrera, Gatti KO 5 Rodriguez, and Leija W 12 Nelson
     
  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Somewhere on there I would put Corrales' destruction of Manfredy. One of the most devastating offensive displays in the history of the division.

    Wayyyyyyyy above any Gatti performance.
     
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  3. PhillyPhan69

    PhillyPhan69 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I will need to think on it some....but as much as I like Mitchell and López I doubt that should make the cut
     
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  4. Xplosive

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    And how did Camacho's destruction of Bazooka Limon not make the list? That's easily top 5.
     
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    Freitas v Casamayor
     
  6. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You might be right. I wanted to include that one because it felt like my list was extremely heavy in entries from the 130lbs. golden eras in the 70s and 2Ks.

    I look forward to seeing your list. I tried to do this for what I thought would be one of the easiest divisions based on the division's limited history. But it still took me several editions to come up with a list that even I'm not content with. Doing a list like this for 147 or 160 would be almost impossible.
     
  7. The Funny Man 7

    The Funny Man 7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm dying to see your top 10...
     
  8. Saad54

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    You gotta have Cornelius Boza Edwards W15 Bazooka Limon on that list.

    Also, Bobby Charon W12 Cornelius Boza Edwards had the WBC champ v. the #1 Contender. Technically, it wasn't a title fight because of Don King and Jose Suillimans shenanigans.

    Cornelius Boza Edwards TKO 14 Bobby Charon was high quality and entertaining, as well. That was peak Boza. He was a beast for a few years at 130 lbs.
     
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  9. PhillyPhan69

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    #4 what makes you pick that over the first fight?

    #9 which one? Most are partial to 2 I think the first is the best fight ever and they both end in 13
     
  10. The Funny Man 7

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    #9 I would put the first fight, since the title changed hands, but either one could merit include.

    For number 4, I rated the second fight higher for a few reason:

    1.) it was the Ring Magazine Upset of the Year which gives it added prestige. I don't weigh this heavily in my analysis, but it is a minor factor.

    2.) Nelson essentially avenged a loss while fighting in the middle of hostile territory. That always impresses me.

    3.) the image of Fenech being dropped and then battered in the follow up flurry is one of those sequences that has a surreal feeling like the end of an epoch, which has an unbelievable quality about it even years (decades really) later. Roy Jones Jr. floundering around under the turnbuckle had that same feeling. Same with Erik Morales suffering the first (real) knock down of his career against Manny. Chacon dropping Bazooka in the waning seconds fight IV has that as well. Something that astonishing merits inclusion on a list like this.

    4.) Most significantly, we'd never seen Fenech beaten, or even really look beatable. Even fighting under the worst condition against Marcos Villasana, weight drained, with bad hands, a broken orbital, and suffering a dozen heinous low blows he looked unstoppable. So for Nelson to beat him decisively is a huge achievement, even though Nelson was the bigger man. By contrast, Nelson had been beaten, and beaten pretty easily in the Whitaker fight. There's no shame in that, but he had several other fights where he looked vulnerable. Like the Lupe Suarez fight where some dirty tactics gave him the assist, or in a few of his MD/SD fights against Villasana and Martinez. In those fights he showed the same tendency to let his work rate slip and get outhustled by busier fighters along the ropes.

    The first fight would probably make it onto a revised list now that I consider it though.
     
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  11. KasimirKid

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    Tod Morgan defended the 130-pound crown successfully 13 times during his title reign from 1925 to 1929. The only films of Morgan are a short clip of sparring in 1927 and a few newsreel clips of fights after he moved to Australia in the mid-1930s. Thus, it is hard to judge firsthand which of his fights might have been the most exciting.

    A few candidates are his fights with:

    Steve Sullivan June 3, 1926; Joe Glick September 30, 1926 (praised both by Nat Fleischer in the Ring and by the AP whose reporter wrote: "Morgan put up one of the nicest exhibitions of boxing seen at the garden in some time. From the start he showed superiority over Glick. He won all his rounds by wide margins. But for the gameness of Glick he would have gone down early in the bout.");

    Carl Duane November 11, 1926 (AP: "The "crown still rests" on Morgan's "blonde thatch today although slightly jarred down over one ear.... Duane belted the champion about the head with vicious hooks that brought a stream of blood from Morgan's mouth, but the Coast boy, although unable to floor his rival, poured such a stream of straight, clean punches to Duane's head that there was no question of superiorty.");

    Joe Glick December 16, 1927 (BoxRec: "Morgan sank to the floor three times under punches to the body, on which his claims of foul were disallowed. He went down for a count of nine in the second round, and was down twice in the fifth, once for a count of nine and on the second occasion the bell rang. In the 14th round, he again sank to the canvas out of an exchange in mid-ring from a left aimed at the body but which was clear to Referee Forbes to have landed palpably low. Forbes didn't even start a count; he motioned Glick to his corner and signaled Morgan's seconds to come in and carry the injured champion to his corner, disqualifying Glick after the round had gone two minutes and nine seconds. The decision was popular with the crowd." As I recall,Ring Magazine reported that it was a remarkable recovery for Morgan as he was coming on strong toward the end of the bout despite the early knockdowns.).

    Eddie Cannonball Martin July 18, 1928 (Second of two exciting bouts. Wikipedia: "In their brutal July bout, the Associated Press gave Morgan eight of the fifteen rounds, and Martin only four, with three even. The fighting was close throughout the contest. Morgan received a gash from a head butt in the first round, while Morgan cut Martin's right cheek in the third. In the tenth, Martin's right eyebrow was cut deeply. Morgan also had a large knot above his right eye, a bloodly nose, and a cut behind his right ear.")

    There are others, but this gives an idea.

    Morgan was from Seattle and is a homeboy of mine. Given the qualifications of many who have been admitted into the Hall of Fame in recent years, he deserves some consideration.
     
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  12. Rope-a-Dope

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    Any combination of the following three: Chacon, Limon, and Boza.
     
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  13. PhillyPhan69

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    This was hard...

    1 Arguello vs Escalera I “The Bloody Battle of Bayamon”

    2 Yong Soo Choi vs Orlando Soto

    3 Kang il Suh vs Mando Ramos

    4 Rocky Lockridge vs Wilfredo Gomez

    5 Gabriel Ruelas vs Jesse James Leija

    6 Takanori Hatakeyama vs Yong Soo Choi 2

    7 Tyrone Everett vs Escalera

    8 Arturo Gatti vs Tracy Harris Patterson 2

    9 Jong Kwon Baek vs Kyu Chul Choi

    10 Morales vs Pacquiao I

    Tough....honorable mentions

    Lionel Rose vs Yoshiaki Numata
    Ernesto Marcel vs Kuniaki Shibata
    Limon vs Choi Chung Il
    Limon vs Navarrete
    Limon vs Boza Edwards
    Chacon vs Boza Edwards I
    Navarrete vs Boza Edwards
    Navarrete vs Choi Chung Il
    Boza Edwards vs Lockridge
    Nelson vs Leija III
    Tony Lopez vs Joey Gamache
    Cassamayor vs Corrales
    Barerra vs Morales III
    JMM vs Barerra
    Pacquaio vs Márquez II
    Yong Soo Choi vs Victor Hugo Paz
    Takashi Uchiyama vs Juan Carlos Salgado
    JCC vs Lockridge
    Lockridge vs Lopez
    Mitchell vs Lopez
    Lopez vs Molina
    Brian Mitchell vs Morake
    Brian Mitchell vs Beard 2
     
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  14. Flea Man

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    Came into the thread specifically to see if anyone gave a shi* about Tod Morgan. Good post.