Top 10 greatest middleweight contenders ever

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  1. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    Well you are just a mentaly handicapped lier who cheats the comunity/ system here in creating multiple accounts and always make a fool of yourself, while you can't even remember something very present or you intentional deny it (even when you was proven false) in trying cheap shots in the hope nobody check these up, for instance youself agree with me previous, possible this or last year.

    Well and know you use your old most loved word/ insult, that everbody get who you are and which kind of poor creature.

    By the way got Jones one week before his fight with Papp 34, who was two years older. And that age is perhaps about the best age of middleweights or close to it. While Laszló Papp was likely past his best when he started his professional career.
     
  2. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fought for what title? I take it you’re talking the European? Well yes against an array of mediocrities.
    Those fighters you mentioned who never fought for the title, they fought other contenders, Papp didn’t.
    I don’t see why you can’t see that.
     
  3. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    So now you are changing your settings? You first demanded to challenge for a major title, as a big "achievement".
    Then I pointed this didn't fit for the most mentioned names here too, you make new requirements, which you didn't list previous.

    By the way did he with Christensen, Fullmedo and Jones, as I maintained.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good luck with deciphering the gibberish below your post!
     
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  5. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You changed the settings.
    I said top contenders either have good losing efforts fighting for the world title or fighting other contenders.
    You then say Papp won and fought for the European Title! Not the same criteria is it?
    Then mention “contenders” in the form of Christensen, Fullmedo and Jones, who fought Papp in his last fight.
    I think I’m on solid ground here, Papp simply wasn’t one of the 10 top Middleweight contenders in history.
     
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  6. Flash24

    Flash24 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Well I won't debate what politics got him the title shot, but Obeljeimas was 28-0 before he fought Hagler, after he lost to Hagler he won 8 straight fights against decent competition too get another shot at Hagler. Fuc Obel looked like a well schooled fighter, he had a fast jab, good power, was technically sound. He looked better skilled than 60% of the fighters that hold World titles today. I wouldn't have been shocked if he had won a version of a Middleweight belt if there was no Hagler
     
  7. Saintpat

    Saintpat Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He never beat a serious middleweight contender.
     
  8. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    No you did obvious, I never demanded about losing a fight and especially not for contenders (you possible refered about the all time lists, particular in Light-Heavyweight, but there are rather won 9/10 of my boxers a world title and it is not equal to contenders).

    You pretend that he never fought for a title, therefore I hint you he held one of the most important once (and defended it at least six times) of which existed only one at that time, in opposite to these in America (like NYSAC, NBA, WBA or WBC).

    Christensen held the European title too and Fullmedo had only 2 defeats in almost eighty bouts. Why shall he be a lot worse in his last fight than he used to be? Were it Tunney, Collins or Calzaghe in their last bouts?

    It is far more grounded than for Langford here.
    You didn't complain when Murray, Eastman and Miranda were listed here.
    By the way then I could mention Ikeke and Gevor.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Why do you think it is nobody agrees with you?
    FYI Christenson was a welter/super welter he had 79fights and for 70 of them he was inside the welter/light middleweight limits.
    For the 1st Papp fight he was conceding 8lbs! For the 2nd 6lbs.
    He won the Euro Middle weight title on a dubious DSQ,and held it total of 3 months.
    Here is the report of the fight.

    "Confusion was total in Copenhagen when the Scot John McCormack, European middleweight champion was disqualified in the 4th round against Danish contender Christian Christensen.

    McCormack was probably ahead on points when he decked the Dane with a short right to the jaw in the 4th.

    Going through different sources, this seems to be what happened: 1) Referee Rudolf Durst started a count. 2) Christensen got up at 3. 3) The referee contiuned the count, creating confusion since the 8 count didn't apply to title fights. 4) Christensen looked unable to defend himself, but to some it looked as if the referee didn't see Christensen's condition since he was looking across the ring at the timekeeper. 5) As the count reached around 5, McCormack rushed to the Dane and knocked him through the ropes with a left hook. 6) Some heard the referee still counting while this happened. 7) Christensen was dragged to his corner while McCormack danced with joy.

    All hell broke lose, programs, bottles and even money rained in the ring. One spectator managed to enter the ring and took a swing at McCormack who was protected by his cornermen and manager Al Phillips. When the disqualification of McCormack was announced the crowd calmed down, McCormack entered the ring again and hung the laurel wreath around the dazed Christensens neck. "




    Another thing, he couldn't punch his way out of a papar bag!
     
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  10. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    In other words as you maintained they were the same weight-class and 2 - 3 kilos different. What a huge amount...:rolleye:
    Both were inside the Middleweight limit and Light-Middleweight didn't even exist at that point, as I showed you one day ago. Just as was Papp himself mainly a light-middleweight, until 1957.

    And even in this thread agreed already somebody with me, by the way, although it is unsignificant.
     
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  11. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You talk about moving the goal posts, you do it every post to suit your agenda.
    So now winning the European title and defending for the most part against in a world sense unrated contenders qualifies him as an all time top ten middleweight contender.
    Oh and by the way I don’t think Murray, Eastman and Miranda should be in there either but they’re all more qualified than Papp.
     
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  12. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    No you do so of course, as you required about a title and pretend Papp didn't fight for one. Is the European championship a title (perhaps the second most important)?:dunno
    And him qualifies his three Olympic gold medals in row (as first human) alone, with wins over Torres, Pietrzykowski and Webb among others.

    How can a Martin Murray be more qualified, when he just got a gift draw against Sturm where most viewers had him losing, lost against Martinez and Golovkin clear, every time he stepped up?
    There have much more claim for this Derchenjenkow or even Macklin, Sulecki Adamu, Proksa, Khurtsidze, Kamarzin, Carrera, Griffin and Asikainen (if the interims title didn't count, then also Rubio, Mundine and Zbik). I actual rate his fellow-countryman Lockett higher.
     
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  13. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    To bring it back to the thread, the only question is do you think Papp is one of the 10 greatest middleweights never to win the world title?
     
  14. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This should be good.
     
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  15. Ra's Al-Ghul

    Ra's Al-Ghul The One and Only Full Member

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    I think he is probably the best (if the Olympic title isn't regarded as world title), although he achieved possible more in Light-Middleweight.
    He is also the only boxer out of my all time top 20 who wasn't prize fight world title-holder.
     


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