Top 10 greatest middleweights of all time

I agree with you at putting Monzon at #1. Always have, for that matter.

 

No. Dont buy into those early knockout losses, Marshall was on the cuffs at the beginning of his career. Even so, his chin did not seem to let him down in his prime

 

Yep, its funny how some writers seem to throw that in while at the same time bringing up the fact he was on the cuffs.

 

Good list
Hopkins is too high,so is Jones, and Cerdan,imo,in fact I would replace Cerdan with Lamotta, or Tiger,outside this ten? Giardello and Griffith imo.I'm only rating Champs.

 

you can't really rate roy at 160...at that weight he only had Hopkins, Castro, and Tate on his resume


he had a greater career at 165+

 

As long as Hagler's in the top 3 I'm happy. But after watching those LaMotta clips my opinion of him has gone up a couple of notches. I always thought he was great but I underrated him in some areas (Defense,quickness). I agree with those who say he would've been trouble for any MW past or present.

 

Thats great Jim! Now we have to convince you of marcianos defense!!

 

Tough to call, there's so many quality fighters that passed through this weight class. However, I think I'd settle on a list that looks something like this:

1. Robinson
2. Greb
3. Monzon
4. Hagler
5. Tiger
6. Burley
7. Jones
8. Hopkins
9. Fitzsimmons
10. Flowers or Walker

Close Runners up: Zale, Lloyd Marshall

 

I've never heard of Marshall having any quick KO losses early in his career. The only stoppage loss I've heard of him having early on was against Ceferino Garcia, and that was a result of cuts and facial damage (which can hardly be faked).

A while back, I asked around at CBZ (who made the claim that Marshall often had cuffs on) what fights specifically was he rumored to have cuffs on, and no one could give me an answer.

As for Marshall's chin, it wasn't "glass" at all, but perhaps just not purely solid. I've always suspected that his biggest problem was that there wasn't an ideal weight class for him at the time. I think at 160 he was sometimes weight drained, and at 175 some of the full-grown light-heavyweights (ie: Charles, Bivins) were just too big and strong for him. I think 168 would've been his proper weight class, if it had existed at the time.