Top 10 Greatest Pound for Pound All-Time

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Brooklyn Boxer, Nov 21, 2009.


  1. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    I agree.

    A win over Mayweather puts him somewhere around the top 15.

    Wins over Mayweather and Mosley in 2010 would probably elevate him to top five in my mind, but that's a tall order.

    Incidentally, on an entirely unrelated note, which would you prefer:

    After the original 8 weight classes and the P4P lists, would you prefer the interim weight divisions or a variety of other lists?

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  2. Burna

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    Robinson has to at least be number one on almost everybodies list...he was the reason people came up with the term pound for pound.
     
  3. McGrain

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    You're basically talking about ranking him above Muhammad Ali, Bob Fitzsimmons, Ezzard Charles...I think he needs another couple of years to make that happen personally. If he knocked out Mayweather i'd have to sit down and tackle his standing versus my picks at 9-16 in a methodical manner.


    I'm probably not the man to ask; the pound for pound one might be the last list I would submit, I wouldn't be taking part in the junior divisions, although I might still turn up to complain about certain fighters not being included :lol:
     
  4. McGrain

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    He's gone from 1, to 2, to 3 on my list as i've learned about Greb and Langford.
     
  5. Brooklyn Boxer

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    I'll tell you the truth my list was more than just achievements. I also accounted for dominance, historical achievements( like the first black champion for example)
     
  6. McGrain

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    Like Sweet Pea said, you want to take a long hard look at George Dixon in that case. He should be ranked above Johnson regardless of criteria (mine or yours). Also, Tiger Flowers deserves more credit in this department.
     
  7. Rumsfeld

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    :lol:

    I was thinking of doing lists for things like best fight, best trainer, best referee, best historical venue...

    Anyway, would you seriously refrain from participating in the interim divisions? If so, this may be the end of the line. We have 5 down, 3 to go plus the P4P.

    Incidentally, your theory about diminishing returns has proven true without exception.

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  8. Brooklyn Boxer

    Brooklyn Boxer Active Member Full Member

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    Are most Pound for pound list based of achievements?
     
  9. McGrain

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    There would still be interest, but I wouldn't be amongst them. The idea of trying to put together a list at 168 doesn't interest me at all, nor CW. 140 and 130 would be interesting mind.


    Will get worse (fly) before it gets better chum (p4p).
     
  10. Rock0052

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    That's a generic, but accurate way to put it.

    I say generic because the inherent flaw is you're ranking different, yet great, achievements against each other and there is no set criteria for how to weigh them. The biggest areas for me where differentiation can happen is this:

    -Single weight accomplishments vs multi-weight accomplishments- do you prefer a strong single-weight resume (with perhaps some multi-weight success) with alot of defenses and reward guys who clean out the division more, or do you prefer fighters who move up in weight successfully and challenge the best, possibly with more losses coming along the way and without cleaning out entire divisions?

    -Resume vs film: Do you prefer a great resume who may not look as great on film, or has minimal to no film footage, over the guy who looks better to you on film but without as good a resume?

    -Do you hold the accounts of fighters from their peers and those from their era in more esteem, or does the modern opinion of fighters' accomplishments and caliber hold more weight? A fighter like Sonny Liston is ranked significantly higher today than he was in the 20-30 years following his retirement, for example. Other fighters who are forgotten about are dropped from current rankings despite their peers viewing them extremely favorably. Who do you believe in that instance?

    Those are a few reasons I wouldn't worry so much about finding a "consensus, factual" top 10 list; the opinions have changed even amongst the experts over the past decades when there has been no activity among the fighters in question to dictate the changes.

    So, to me, the cold hard truth is we'll never know who the top 10 best pound for pound fighters were, let alone in what order. So, rank who you want to where you want to- if your reasoning works for you, that's really all that counts in the end. :!::good
     
  11. demigawd

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    As a general rule for me, I *never* rank fighters for whom I can't find at least 10 videos. So my P4P list is much more contemporary than most boxing enthusiasts, many of whom I suspect conform their lists just to be taken seriously by their peers and isn't a true reflection of their actual P4P lists, that they keep to themselves.

    I have no doubt in my mind that Pacquiao would demolish Henry Armstrong in combat, and I also firmly believe he has a better resume and better historical claim to being higher P4P. But you just watch and see the flames begin just by posting such a point. That's the real reason you see a "concensus" among fighters for whom no real footage exists to generate such a concensus in the first place.
     
  12. Brooklyn Boxer

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    Sorry man I respectfully disagree with Pacquiao being better or even being in the same class as Henry Armstrong. The great thing about Boxing is the rich history it has. Henry Armstrong was the Champion at Lightweight,Welterweight, and Middleweight at the same time. There more than videos to tell how great a fighter was. Pacquiao is great but Henry Armstrong is in the top 3 and my opinion top 2 of the greatest fighters who ever lived.