Top 10 H2H Heavyweight's

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  1. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because he knocked everyone out quicker then everyone else while throwing more punches a round then anyone else with a top two or three jab to boot. He also did it to prime opponents at the time in beating Patterson x2, Williams x2, Machen, Folley Nino
     
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  2. Golden_Feather99

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    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Mike Tyson
    3. Larry Holmes
    4. Lennox Lewis
    5. Tyson Fury
    6. Riddick Bowe
    7. Vitali Klitschko
    8. Wladimir Klitschko
    9. Evander Holyfield
    10. George Foreman
     
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  3. Barrf

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    Where I get heartburn is trying to decide what happens when prime Ali meets prime Lewis (Steward trained)...
     
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  4. Journeyman92

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    Hm- really I’m not sure I’ll give it a crack anyway. Ali and Louis represent 1st and 2nd to me depending on how you tilt your head. Holmes and Evander third and fourth? Followed by someone like Tyson, Lewis, Wlad, Foreman and Bowe they’re all kinda close but not? all the rest after that really isn’t that close in terms of beating overall the most heavies in my opinion anyway.
     
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  5. Journeyman92

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    I don’t think me and you are watching the same fighter with the way you describe Joe Louis.
     
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  6. Barrf

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    H2H you take Holmes or Holyfield as beating more than Lewis? I tend to rank him #2 or #3, behind the obvious.

    Oddly, the only H2H match I'd bet money on a prime Lewis losing is to prime Tyson. If you've been one-shotted twice and have to face prime Mike, that ain't gonna end well.
     
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  7. Journeyman92

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    Meh- It's all just unproven opinions at the end of the day anyway.
     
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  8. Rumsfeld

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    On that note, Emanuel had this to say:
    https://www.boxing247.com/weblog/archives/139128

    A Mythical Dream Bout Between Lewis and Prime Muhammad Ali:

    I would think Ali, first of all, was a very special unique fighter, and his rhythm and ability to feint, make adjustments, take a punch, his stamina, everything! But also I think part of what Ali had was a psychological advantage he always had, which no one speaks about that. He intimidated a lot of his opponents. Most heavyweights have big bodies, but ‘inside’ as I call it, most of them are weak. And Ali was so strong, and then his whole image including with Sonny Liston. He did all of that bragging and then he had his entourage, which people don’t realize and they don’t like to talk about it, but it was very intimidating. A big part of it was Dundee and all of them threatening, and they would come in with about fifteen-twenty people, and that was most heavy especially when you had nice passive guys like Zora Folley, and all of those types of guys. It was just too much for those guys, and even for Sonny Liston! Actually that whole gang of his, so to say, broke down most guys.

    But in Lennox’s case, I think it would be a very difficult fight for me to even say what would happen, because Ali had a lot of tremendous assets with the movement and everything. But we still have to remember that size is important, and Lennox at 6’5” was about another two and a half inches taller than Ali, and Lennox had a really good jab himself. Lennox was mentally never a weak person. That’s one thing is I don’t think Lennox would be easily intimidated the way those guys were. Lennox had his own built-in gangster and thug side inside of him.

    I can’t really put one generation against another one, but in your mind you can look at it. I think it would have been a tough fight. I don’t think Ali would be able to do like he did with Ernie Terrell, who even though Ernie was taller, Ernie didn’t have that mental toughness. He was intimidated by, and I always say ‘Ali’s everything’. It was his whole being. It was not just Ali. It was that whole crowd that he brought intimidated most of those guys. I think Lennox would have been able to hold up to that, and it would have been to me a toss-up fight. I really can’t say.

    I just don’t think Ali could have easily outbox him, because of the size of Lennox, and Lennox could move on his feet pretty good, too. But Ali was the type of guy who found a way to win. I don’t know! It would have been a very tough fight for Ali, I could tell you that, though! He wouldn’t have been able to just easily outbox Lennox, and he wouldn’t have been able to intimidate Lennox with his whole gang, so to say. It would have been tough fight!
     
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  9. Claw4075

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    China Chinned LHW, A Big Can, Gatekeeper, another Gatekeeper, and a washed up nobody do not count to your H2H ranking as these people were stylistically built to be defeated by the can crusher.
     
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  10. Entaowed

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    I do not believe Liston was that high volume a puncher, nor did he KO everyone quicker than many folks. Tyson, Shavers & even guys like Briggs beat more guys early.
     
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  11. Omega74

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    Well are you able to proof the opposite? Show me some clips, where we can see his good defense and head-movement. Would be grateful, if you can educate me on the abilities of Joe Louis.
     
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  12. moneytheman12

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    chance how when his movement was outdated
     
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  13. moneytheman12

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    dont know why George and Louis is on here

    Louis was way to outdated in his movements would lose to almost anybody in 70s-90s who was a mid or big name

    George was to sloopy and slow loses to people who moves good with good defense
     
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  14. moneytheman12

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    you wont get it I still never got proof of him moving like people lennox fought cause he didnt
     
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  15. moneytheman12

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    cause he went a long time undefeated vs people who would never make pro in 70s-90s

    and beat trash like max who was so called impressive but really wasnt nobody was except jersey and even him was unpolished compared to those era's
     
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